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有一个MacBook Pro上广受好评的老功能,而且是以“Mag”开头的。如果你猜是MagSafe,我们只有不幸的消息;但是如果你猜的是Magic Keyboard,我们这有为你准备的拆解。这是全新、非蝶式、16英寸MacBook Pro,我们这就把它拆个底朝天—从美妙的全新散热系统,到牛逼哄哄的扬声器。确保你看过我们的blog post首篇文章,然后让我们在这里进行完整拆解。

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  1. 现代的 MacBook Pro 是 Apple 最受争议的设备,但不总是如此。我们将会祈祷这台最新的设备会回到正轨。被我们拆解的受害者设备配置如下: 16" LED背光 IPS Retina 显示屏配备原材显示,分辨率 3072 × 1920 (226 ppi) 2.6 GHz 6核 Intel Core i7(Turbo Boost 最高至 4.5 GHz),搭配了一颗 AMD Radeon Pro 5300M
    • 现代的 MacBook Pro 是 Apple 最受争议的设备,但不总是如此。我们将会祈祷这台最新的设备会回到正轨。被我们拆解的受害者设备配置如下:

    • 16" LED背光 IPS Retina 显示屏配备原材显示,分辨率 3072 × 1920 (226 ppi)

    • 2.6 GHz 6核 Intel Core i7(Turbo Boost 最高至 4.5 GHz),搭配了一颗 AMD Radeon Pro 5300M

    • 16 GB 2666 MHz DDR4 SDRAM

    • 512 GB SSD

    • 100 Wh 电池

    • 六扬声器系统和高性能麦克风阵列

    • 从外表看起来,Apple 并没有付出很多,至少他们没有为了吸引消费者而翻新这些设计。唯一真实的线索只有全新的型号:A2141 和 EMC 3347。

  2. 像煎饼一样摞起来,你会注意到新的 MacBook Pro 比起最新的 15" 型号有显著的变大(并厚了那么一丢丢)。实际上和 2015 年的型号变好的只有尺寸,不是接口。 把 16" Pro 背靠背贴着 2015 年的 Pro,你几乎看不出区别,知道你凑近了看。显示屏的铰链有所改变,旧款 Pro 的键盘按键只突出平面一点点。 在两个 2019 年款 MacBook Pro 之间的“找不同”中,16" 版本:
    • 像煎饼一样摞起来,你会注意到新的 MacBook Pro 比起最新的 15" 型号有显著的变大(并厚了那么一丢丢)。实际上和 2015 年的型号变好的只有尺寸,不是接口。

    • 把 16" Pro 背靠背贴着 2015 年的 Pro,你几乎看不出区别,知道你凑近了看。显示屏的铰链有所改变,旧款 Pro 的键盘按键只突出平面一点点。

    • 在两个 2019 年款 MacBook Pro 之间的“找不同”中,16" 版本:

    • 一个物理 Esc 键,从 Touch Bar 上分离了出来

    • Touch ID/电源键变成了磨砂面,和其余的按键相同

    • Touch Bar 变短了大约 19 mm

    • 倒 T 型的方向键全变成了半大

    • 如果你放大图片看看左格栅,你可以看到升级后三麦克风的伪装。现在,你再也不能无视它了。

  3. 是时候做我们最擅长的事了:把工具塞进去,看看有没有什么可拆的。 让我们从按键开始。还记得在 iMac 上的妙控键盘吗?这台新机器上的键盘被 Apple 称作“核心科技”的很棒又可靠的设计。 这可能有点轻描淡写:并排放我们很难发现有什么不一样的。剪刀式按键,键帽……新按键周围的空间有所减少,专家会庆祝方向键的重新设计,但是一切看起来没什么变化。
    • 是时候做我们最擅长的事了:把工具塞进去,看看有没有什么可拆的。

    • 让我们从按键开始。还记得在 iMac 上的妙控键盘吗?这台新机器上的键盘被 Apple 称作“核心科技”的很棒又可靠的设计。

    • 这可能有点轻描淡写:并排放我们很难发现有什么不一样的。剪刀式按键,键帽……新按键周围的空间有所减少,专家会庆祝方向键的重新设计,但是一切看起来没什么变化。

    • 新闻快讯:这些新按键上甚至没有防尘膜。我们倾向于这是一个好这招(这意味着我们终于可以在拆解的时候吃多力多滋了)。

    • 为了更方便比较,这里的第三张图片展示了几个月前发布的 15" MacBook Pro上有争议(且臭名昭著)的“蝶”式键盘。

    • 但是为什么在这里停下?这里有一张照片是 2012 年 “unibody” MacBook Pro 上的剪刀式按键。

    • 还有 Apple 最后一次配备好用的剪刀式键盘的笔记本电脑是 2015 MacBook Pro 配备 Retine 显示屏。

    Its hard to follow which bullet point is related to which picture.

    Gouthaman Raveendran - 回复

    You meant “there's even” and not “there's not even “ right?

    kabir - 回复

  4. 剪刀式键盘的机制如何运作?嘿,你可以带着这个问题,和我们一起探索。 请稍等。 这是“ Apple 设计的橡胶圆顶,可为响应式按键存储更多的潜在能量”。
    • 剪刀式键盘的机制如何运作?嘿,你可以带着这个问题,和我们一起探索。

    • 请稍等。

    • 这是“ Apple 设计的橡胶圆顶,可为响应式按键存储更多的潜在能量”。

    • 在此之下,具有有趣图案的背光组件——稍后会详细介绍。

    • 紧接所有边缘的是一个薄的黑色垫圈,以防止明亮的碎片渗出钥匙边缘。

    • 与台式机魔术键盘再次进行比较:

    • 两种剪刀机制看起来几乎相同。旧的魔术剪刀的厚度过小(1.6 vs. 1.38 mm)。

    • 0.22 mm 似乎并不多,但毫无疑问,这种细长的新型剪式开关的重新设计需要大量的工程设计。

  5. 尽管厚度有所不同,但这些键盘看起来是如此相似,以至于我们很想将深色Magic与光混合在一起,看看会发生什么... *天堂合唱团*魔术的创造
    • 尽管厚度有所不同,但这些键盘看起来是如此相似,以至于我们很想将深色Magic与光混合在一起,看看会发生什么...

    • *天堂合唱团*魔术的创造

    • 你正在寻找的是16英寸 MacBook Pro 键盘和剪刀上的2015白色 Magic Keyboard 键帽。它可以正常工作!

    • 旧的 Magic 命令键比新的 Magic 命令键小(因此,键周围的间隙更大)并且更厚。

    • 并非每个按键都可以互换,并且旧的Magic键的背光灯没有透明的字母。因此,请不要太激动。

    Let’s start Modding of Macbook Pro :)

    Pavel - 回复

  6. (暂时)瞄完键盘后,让我们拆开底壳,看一下内部。 苹果已经从他们的新闻稿中通过GIF向我们展示了这只愤怒的猫头鹰,但是我们还没有看到高能量的X射线穿过猫头鹰,向我们展示了它沮丧的外表背后的原因。 X 光照片的结果让它看起来更加生气!逃跑!幸运的是,我们在Creative Electron的朋友在这里承担着所有的风险。冷静下来后,我们将继续拆卸。
    • (暂时)瞄完键盘后,让我们拆开底壳,看一下内部。

    • 苹果已经从他们的新闻稿中通过GIF向我们展示了这只愤怒的猫头鹰,但是我们还没有看到高能量的X射线穿过猫头鹰,向我们展示了它沮丧的外表背后的原因。

    • X 光照片的结果让它看起来更加生气!逃跑!幸运的是,我们在Creative Electron的朋友在这里承担着所有的风险。冷静下来后,我们将继续拆卸。

    I’m still not clear on how exactly the keyboards are different - all the snark got in the way, but quite bemused by the ‘angry owl’!

    Kit - 回复

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type.

    Greg Conquest - 回复

    The six screws on the bottom plate of the MacBook Pro 16 are Pentalobe P5 type. The two near the hinge are longer, about 7mm. The other four are about 3.5mm long. After removing these screws, though, the plate does not come off. Are there more screws under the rubber feet?

    Greg Conquest -

    You lift off the front of the bottom panel and pull forward. The back edge near the hinge has a series of prongs that slide out forward for removal, and backwards until you hear/feel a snap/click sound for reinstallation.

    Dice Yamaguchi - 回复

  7. 梅花螺丝,schmorx 螺丝——我们的马林螺丝刀套件可完成所有操作。(尽管考虑了一下,但我们尚未找到 schmorx 位的用途。) 即使打开这台计算机,我们也面临着更多的谜团——蒙面的MacBook!是你吗,布鲁斯? Apple 称赞 MacBook Pro 散热设计的重大进步,并称该散热器大了35%。(我们已经猜到了34%,但让我们就相信苹果说的话吧。)
    • 梅花螺丝,schmorx 螺丝——我们的马林螺丝刀套件可完成所有操作。(尽管考虑了一下,但我们尚未找到 schmorx 位的用途。)

    • 即使打开这台计算机,我们也面临着更多的谜团——蒙面的MacBook!是你吗,布鲁斯?

    • Apple 称赞 MacBook Pro 散热设计的重大进步,并称该散热器大了35%。(我们已经猜到了34%,但让我们就相信苹果说的话吧。)

    • 我们还找到了一些升级的硬件,这些硬件包括了我们认为很快的新型GDDR6芯片,上面有铜制屏蔽层和几个铝制散热垫。

    The photo in the linked Marlin screwdriver set is of four Phillips and one flathead driver, rather than the described pentalobes, torx and tri-point?

    Feanor - 回复

    Thanks for the catch! We’re working on fixing the incorrect image.

    Arthur Shi -

  8. 我们不能停止将这些主板看作是胡须形状的,所以让我们将拟人化类推的方法走得太远,梳理一下鬃毛。这就是坚持的原因: 第9代Intel Core i7-9750H 6核处理器
    • 我们不能停止将这些主板看作是胡须形状的,所以让我们将拟人化类推的方法走得太远,梳理一下鬃毛。这就是坚持的原因:

    • 第9代Intel Core i7-9750H 6核处理器

    • 16个Micron MT40A1G8SA-075 8 Gb DDR4 SDRAM(总共16 GB)

    • AMD Radeon Pro 5300M移动GPU

    • 4个Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14 8 Gb GDDR6 RAM(总共4 GB)

    • 东芝TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926和TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926闪存(总计512 GB)

    • 苹果T2 APL1027 339S00536协处理器

    • 英特尔JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3控制器

    Five (5) NAND packages… Doesn’t that strike anyone else as odd? How does that possibly work out to 512 GB?

    repoman27 - 回复

    Same question here. One for redundancy? Want to know how 1T,2T,4T,8T organized.

    Walter - 回复

    For the GDDR RAM, you say “8Gb” and then “4GB total”…can you clarify that notation? Is there 4GB of GDDR in the machine, or 8? If onul y 4, then what does the “8Gb” refer to?

    dontinw - 回复

    8Gb is the capacity for single GDDR6 chip. There are four 8Gb GDDR6 chips. Total video memory capacity is 32Gb(4GB).

    JJ Wu -

    @dontinw: 8Gb is 8 gigabit (how memory and flash manufacturers specify chip capacities). 8 bits to a byte, so 8Gb = 1GB (capital B). So 4 x 8Gb chips for a total of 4GB GDDR6 RAM.

    Colin Ng - 回复

    @repoman27 @Walter Five flash chips is a little odd, but flash chips are made in odd sizes. The 2018 Retina MacBook Air had three flash chips at 43 GB each for a total of 129 GB, sold as 128. This was also the reason for its weird 1.5 TB max capacity. The 2019 refresh dropped to two chips.

    My bet is 103 GB flash chips are a little bit cheaper per gigabyte than 128 GB. 1 TB and up will probably be eight chips.

    Zimmie - 回复

    Can the hard disks be easily upgraded?

    L Tan - 回复

    Is this “Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 coprocessor “ there to protect boards from 3rd party and unauthorized repairs?

    Babak - 回复

    Ostensibly no. It’s a hardware encryption co-processor. It allows for much higher speeds while maintaining very high levels of encryption.

    It also integrates many extra functions. It replaces many of the discrete components into a single black box as well.

    System Management Controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller

    Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862

    It also is the core of Touch ID and all of the secure boot and encrypted storage functions.

    However there are concerns that this may become the fact. As this is the SMC (System Management Controller) it could be used to track the serial numbers or other applicable identifiers to make sure that no component is replaced without an AASP resetting the coding.

    This is only a concern but with apple and the iphone error 53 fiasco we know they obviously have no qualms screwing over their customers to prevent 3rd party repairs.

    Grant Spedding -

    Where is the Soundchip / DAC?

    Edit: Sorry, next Step. maybe the Renesas 225101C

    Ballerjockel - 回复

    What DAC and amplifier are there?

    djmultik -

    i started using Macs Fan Control to control heating and the app takes advantage of controlling the two fans independently. What is the orientation of the logic board. Are we looking at it here as if you were facing the laptop with the screen open? I’d like to know which components are closest to which fan, R or L. Thanks.

    smithereens - 回复

    Hey smithereens! The orientation of the Logic board in the first photo is the same as its orientation in the computer when working on it face-up, meaning it’s flipped horizontally from what it would be when you are using it—L is R and R is L. Hope this helps, it’s a bit hard to describe with words! If you want you can go back and look at the photos above this step (while the board is still in the laptop) and map it out the orientation in your mind based on visible ICs on the board.

    Taylor Dixon -

    Where is the SPI flash rom?

    abductedaliens - 回复

    Is there any way to get access to the hard drive to backup the information if the logic board isnt working?

    David García - 回复

    Hi David.

    Difficult question.

    In some cases if the board dies the data dies with it.

    In others it can be connected to another machine to recover the data.

    In others it can be but needs board repairs (apple does not offer this so 3rd party only and bye bye warranty)

    Best case would be to ensure an up to date backup is kept and keep nothing mission critical on the machine

    Grant Spedding -

  9. 我们继续来看看芯片。芯片来自沙子。我们说错了吗? 英特尔SR40F平台控制器中枢
    • 我们继续来看看芯片。芯片来自沙子。我们说错了吗?

    • 英特尔SR40F平台控制器中枢

    • 德州仪器CD3217B12(可能是电源控制器)

    • 338S00267-A0(可能是Apple PMIC)

    • 德州仪器TPS51980B电源控制器

    • 339S00610(可能是Apple Wi-Fi /蓝牙模块)

    • Intersil 6277 PWM调制器

    • 瑞萨225101C

    It’s a pretty minor bit of silicon, but I also spy an NXP CBTL06142 DisplayPort 1.2 switch in between the CPU and GPU, likely for switching between integrated and discrete graphics for the built in display panel. This one is marked 6142E, but several previous iFixit Mac teardowns have revealed either the 6142F variant, or the Diodes Incorporated (Pericom) equivalent PI3WVR12612. For instance, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has a pair of these to share the two display outputs from the integrated GPU with both Thunderbolt 3 controllers.

    And is the Intel QMS380 chipset custom for Apple or does this appear elsewhere? It’s tiny compared to the normal PCH package.

    repoman27 - 回复

    You have listed a WiFi/Bluetooth module there. I can’t it’s location marked on the board. Can you tell me if it is a fixed module solded to the board. I only ask as Apple has again not gone the full Monty and only put in an AC spec wifi module when they have included the AX spec in the new phones.

    Michael Rapkins - 回复

    I can’t tell which component is the Apple 339S00610 WiFi/Bluetooth module in that illustration. Is it still on an m.2 card, or has it been soldered to the motherboard now?

    Bryce Glover - 回复

    @ Michaek Rapkins & Bryce Glover: It’s the silver component circled in light blue in the second image. It’s a Broadcom based combo SiP module from Universal Scientific Industrial (USI), and it’s soldered to the logic board.

    repoman27 -

  10. 不用担心主板问题,我们可以看看其余的改进散热设计。 抱歉,等一下,新款 MacBook Pro 在其旧的型号上(15英寸2019型号)上稍作改变,排气孔明显更大。 再加上这些具有更大叶轮叶片的新型风扇,可通过新型Pro推动28%的空气流通。
    • 不用担心主板问题,我们可以看看其余的改进散热设计。

    • 抱歉,等一下,新款 MacBook Pro 在其旧的型号上(15英寸2019型号)上稍作改变,排气孔明显更大。

    • 再加上这些具有更大叶轮叶片的新型风扇,可通过新型Pro推动28%的空气流通。

    • 这听起来像是一堆热风,但是据称所有这些酷炫的改进使这款16英寸Pro在密集的工作负载下比以前的设计多承受12瓦的功率。

    The dancing indie video game creatures are adorable!

    Kent Jenkins - 回复

  11. 我们慢慢剥离键盘背光,希望在下面找到神奇之物。 背光组件由柔性扩散器组成,该扩散器沿边缘传输来自LED的光。柔性漫射器很常见,但是这种漫射器看起来经过特殊蚀刻,可能会最大化亮度和均匀性。 在背光的下方,我们沿着金属键盘框架的边缘发现了一些P2五角螺丝 。可能是吗?我们可以拧开这个螺丝,以便在使用键盘后更换掉键盘吗?
    • 我们慢慢剥离键盘背光,希望在下面找到神奇之物。

    • 背光组件由柔性扩散器组成,该扩散器沿边缘传输来自LED的光。柔性漫射器很常见,但是这种漫射器看起来经过特殊蚀刻,可能会最大化亮度和均匀性。

    • 在背光的下方,我们沿着金属键盘框架的边缘发现了一些P2五角螺丝 。可能是吗?我们可以拧开这个螺丝,以便在使用键盘后更换掉键盘吗?

    • 不!!!键盘组件再次被铆接。尽管这些开关可能不太容易受到残酷攻击者的攻击,但是键盘本身并没有比蝶式键盘更好修复。

    • 基本上是从2016年开始的:我们看到有一款新键盘与一种不可维修的设计结为一体,只有苹果公司会说“不会破损”。而且这个甚至都不是键盘服务程序的一部分,所以... : /

    • 一线希望是,这种新键盘设计与过去经受住时间考验的 Apple 键盘极为相似。

    • 不要让这次键盘拆解空手而归,我们尽可能地撬起键盘以瞥见其点击的原理。我们对夹在按键和按键发生位置的金属背板之间的柔性PCB层感到满意,但没有发现任何魔法。

    Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.

    Matthias - 回复

    “Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.”

    No, Apple doesn’t like its products repairable. Reparability means recyclability means less profit for Apple.

    Harry - 回复

  12. 现在我们所有的键盘问题都已解决,接下来我们可以继续研究其余的问题。 首先,这些新颖的XL-Earpods扬声器带有扩展的外壳,顶部和底部配有相对的低音扬声器。 相对的低音扬声器应该抵消彼此的振动。有些喜欢新 AirPods Pro 的抗噪功能,但...具有低音。反低音吗?
    • 现在我们所有的键盘问题都已解决,接下来我们可以继续研究其余的问题。

    • 首先,这些新颖的XL-Earpods扬声器带有扩展的外壳,顶部和底部配有相对的低音扬声器。

    • 相对的低音扬声器应该抵消彼此的振动。有些喜欢新 AirPods Pro 的抗噪功能,但...具有低音。反低音吗?

    • 我们不知道拉长的外壳是怎么来的,但我们最好的猜测是新形状会重新定向声音以改善其质量。也许需要额外的音量来容纳第二个低音扬声器?

    • 接下来,另一个声音升级:“高性能”三麦克风阵列。它的布局与2018年MacBook Air中的三麦克风阵列相似,但看起来更大,这可能意味着它们是更高品质的麦克风。

    • 最后,锂动力装置可能引起了FAA的怀疑:苹果的99.8 Wh电池(11.36 V,8790 mAh)。

    • 这是我们有史以来在MacBook中看到的最大电池—— 比17英寸MacBook Pro增加4.8 Wh,比最新的15英寸MacBook Pro增加16.2 Wh。

    • 多余的容量从何而来?苹果在这里拉出了一部iPhone 11,每个电池看起来都与其前代相同,但平均厚度却增加了0.8毫米。

    The battery is only .3 Wh larger than the 2015 MBP 15”, though, which has a 99.5Wh battery: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp719?local... So you would probably be better off mentioning that than the 17” macbook pro, which is almost a decade old at this point.

    steven - 回复

    The speaker enclosures are mostly to eat the sound which would otherwise radiate from the back of the driver. A free-floating electromagnetic speaker radiates from both sides of the membrane, but 180º out of phase, and the resulting audio interferes with itself in complicated ways. By having one face radiate into an enclosure, you get less self-interference. The problem is enclosures contain air, radiating sound into them compresses that air, and air doesn’t want to be compressed. A larger enclosure presents less resistance to the driver’s movement. Odd shapes don’t help quite as much as regular shapes, but the added volume is still beneficial.

    Zimmie - 回复

  13. 拆解更新:嘿,这条小的柔性电缆在做什么?我们不记得以前见过这种情况,MacRumors 很友善地向我们询问。 我们必须完全卸下显示屏进行调查,但事实证明,有一个面向左侧铰链的新传感器,并且在铰链本身中嵌入了一块磁铁。磁铁上的箭头指示对准/极性,其与显示屏同步旋转。 看起来苹果增加了一个盖角传感器。他们为什么需要这玩意?这会开启一些很棒的新macOS功能吗?
    • 拆解更新:嘿,这条小的柔性电缆在做什么?我们不记得以前见过这种情况,MacRumors 很友善地向我们询问。

    • 我们必须完全卸下显示屏进行调查,但事实证明,有一个面向左侧铰链的新传感器,并且在铰链本身中嵌入了一块磁铁。磁铁上的箭头指示对准/极性,其与显示屏同步旋转。

    • 看起来苹果增加了一个盖角传感器。他们为什么需要这玩意?这会开启一些很棒的新macOS功能吗?

    • 也许。如果需要维修,这可能也是 Apple追溯设备使用历史的明智方法。例如,如果显示屏电缆磨损了,Apple可能想知道显示屏的调整量和调整频率。

    • MacRumors进行了一些额外的设置,发现苹果希望在维修后会对这个小的传感器进行校准。查看我们的帖子,与我们一起猜测!

    Is it possible this is an environmental source of randomness (for encryption)?

    Joseph - 回复

    I wonder if they doing some HRTF audio tricks and bouncing sound off the display, it does have amazing stereo imaging. The sensor may allow them to calculate the screen angle and adjust output. I suppose it could be used to improve the mic noise cancelling with the same info, calculating delay/distance to the reflected sound off the display

    mail - 回复

    Its still a Hall sensor! In this case is a radial sensor so the rotation is sensed. The 2019 used two edge sensors just in front of the USB ports (L&R) to sense the lifting of the lid. The only thing I can think of is if you are using an external display with a BT/USB keyboard/mouse/trackpad the lid could be placed at an angle so the speakers can broadcast outwards. The three microphones could even be used to measure the reflectance, similar to the HomePod.

    Dan - 回复

    Apple wants this little sensor calibrated after repairs.

    I hope they don't use this as another way to curtail repair (think iPhone XS battery). I can see it now:

    Cannot adjust brightness. Please visit AASP for calibration.

    Patrick Lienau - 回复

    Not really a tech, but could it be used to detect clamshell mode for some reason?

    kevinharter - 回复

    I would guess that with six speakers, two fans and a haptic touchpad, they were running out of spots to place the pair of a magnet and hall effect sensor where they wouldn’t get cross-talk from other magnets. Sticking the pair right on the hinge and measuring rotation makes sense in that there was probably less competition for space there. The tradeoff is the need to calibrate the hall effect response rather than doing a more naive binary threshold.

    Nirav Patel - 回复

    This is a welcome improvement over the old, too sensitive sleep sense arrangement. This will prevent the machine from waking when the display is barely lifted from park and will also eliminate waking if a key is depressed when the display is closed - which can easily occur since the display rests just 0.40 mm above the keys when folded. Noticed this immediately while qualifying RadTech’s ScreenSavrz for this machine.

    John Grzeskowiak - 回复

    if combined with time and logged a complete lid-position history. will be created, which could be used for research purposes. Info about typical viewing angle could be a subject. However, so fare John Grzeskowiak’s comment is my favourite for the correct answer.

    bjoern holst jespersen - 回复

    Agreeing with John, this would just seem to be a replacement for the old laptop close sensor.

    It would need to be recalibrated after repairs because a hall effect sensor and magnet pair form a vary… analog… arrangement. That is, while the values should be very repeatable in ‘static’ arrangement, as soon as things get jostled about, the values could jump quite significantly from pre-jostled ones.

    Eric Merrill - 回复

    Eek. I can smell what they are planning on doing, and not in a good way.

    But how cool is a lid-angle measuring device? Pretty cool if you ask me…

    If you think a magnetic closing lid is to disrupt microphones, think again. Most lids now more or less have magnetic-assisted closing motion, anyway.

    Xavier Jiang - 回复

    I can see it as a way to replace the old “lid closed” sensor. Especially if you wear an Apple watch with a magnetic clasp. I’ve had a MacBook Pros go to sleep while I was using it because the band I had on was using a magnetic clasp, trigging a false lid closed.

    tech - 回复

  14. 让我们来介绍一下对这新款MacBook Pro的感受:
    • 让我们来介绍一下对这新款MacBook Pro的感受:

    • 尽管新奇的剪刀式机制可能比易碎的蝴蝶更耐用,但整个键盘组件仍然被牢牢地固定住了。

    • 经过改进的散热系统是众所周知的热销Pro系列的令人欢迎的改进。

    • 99.8 Wh电池几乎达到FAA许可上限,比最新的15英寸型号多出16.2 Wh的电量。随着外壳尺寸的微小增加,这种容量的增加令人惊讶。

    • 尽管有新的扬声器,高质量的播客麦克风阵列和巨大的屏幕,但我们不禁感到苹果可以做得更好——特别是在看到微软执行了一些真正的工程魔术以使其最新的笔记本电脑更易于维修之后。希望2020 Pro 系列能够真正让我们屏住呼吸。

    • 目前,剩下要做的就是给它打分。

  15. 最后的想法
    • 触控板仍然可以卸下,并且很容易更换。
    • 次要组件是模块化的,但是处理器,RAM和闪存被焊接到主板上。
    • 胶水/螺丝固定了键盘,电池、扬声器和触控栏,使这些组件很难维修。
    • Touch ID 传感器是电源开关,并固定在主板上,极大地增加了维修复杂度。
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almost no repair choices even though its a “pro” device

Gage - 回复

What does being a “pro” device have to do with high repairability? “Pro” (itself more of a marketing term than a technical one) covers a proud range of areas. My sister is a pro graphic designer. She can do amazing things with illustrator or photoshop. She couldn’t tell you the next thing about processors or keyboard switches. For her the “pro” is what she can get done, not whether or not she can pop open the case. I’d be willing to lay odds thats true for a lot of people.

Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.

kreutz -

In response to kreutz.

Hypothetical:

The Pro Graphic Designer is working on a commission that has taken several weeks. She has completed another days worth of work while out and about (the main point of a laptop, portability) someone drops liquid into the unit and it fails.

She could just redo the hours of work she just lost after her last backup (assuming she is someone who backs up religiously), however her deadline is tomorrow morning.

If she is using a true pro device she could drop by a computer repair place. Have them remove the SSD and recover the data. (in the macbook pro the SSD is soldered and even if it wasn’t the T2 chip prevents an external computer from reading it). If she is using the “PRO” device that apple sells she is $@$* out of luck and has to pull an all nighter to redo the work or loose the commission and be out all of the work she has done.

The ability to respond to unexpected situations damage, moisture, internal failure or design fault is what should set a PRO device apart.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding The T2 does not prevent an external computer from reading the SSD. It is connected to one of the USB-C ports. There is a tool you can connect which will boot the T2 in DFU mode, prompt for the user’s password, tell the T2 to load the SSD, then dump all the data to an external drive.

Though I seriously wonder what professional would use a machine with no backups of in-flight work. Especially when it’s a Mac, and every macOS since 10.5 in 2007 has included Time Machine.

Zimmie -

For those suggesting that the moniker PRO doesn’t need to mean ‘repairable’, ‘accessible’, ‘non-complicated’, just consider any other PRO industry who relies hugely on repairability and the ability to get inside their devices / tools / instruments to keep them going as long as possible. A music producer wouldn’t throw away a 50 channel recording deck because 2 channels failed one day. A musician wouldn’t put their guitar in the dump because a machine head broke, $10 would get that musician back on stage again. A chef that finds their knife no longer sharp doesn’t look for the bin and a wholesale knife catalogue to buy a new one, they get a hone, or a stone and in 10 minutes their knife is possibly as good as new.

Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible. The moniker PRO is assumed to not only be top quality but top at saving the day when $@$* hits the fan and these machines are no longer that.

John Ward -

Between work I’ve done at an advertising agency, and a free lance photographer; you’d be amazed how many people market themselves as "Pros” but don’t have any backup of their work. Or they have a single external HDD which has all their work and accept that as their backup because time machine is running on it. The idea of “PRO” here is its Apple’s highest end laptop, and people can feel like calling themselves “pro” is justified. This has nothing to do with sensible backup strategies or thinking ahead to the what if scenario of a computer failure.

Gouthaman Raveendran -

@zimmie So if the motherboard fails completely. ie when a mac gets a whiff of moisture in the air (hyperbole obviously) and the main board craps out and cannot enter DFU mode. What then?

Grant Spedding -

@kreutz Additionally I would agree that the PRO moniker is massively overused/misused however all of Apple’s marketing really emphasizes specifically pro use.

As you said

“Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.”

I would argue however that the pro you are referring to is a marketing gimmick just like “Mitsubishi Heavy Industries” in reference to normal domestic air conditioners. It has no right to claim the “Pro” moniker just as the air con has no right to claim “Heavy Industries”. So the people valuing PRO are quite literally valuing an empty marketing promise over something that could save their business when something goes wrong.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding You CAN do that, but not always. For example, recovering data after damaging the laptop would be much harder since everything is encrypted. If the T2 chip is damaged in some way (by water, for example), then all of the data on there is unrecoverable.

Ethan Zuo -

@ethanzuo

The T2 chip is separate to my issues with this unit. Yes (very) theoretically you could recover from a damaged board. If you look at a comment above by Phillip Hue this requires several things including an intact T2 Chip and power rails to supply power.

However my big problem is the use of an ssd soldered to the motherboard. With a removable ssd it is possible to recover data even if the rest of the board has literal holes in it, components completely corroded off the board or if the USB-C ports are damaged (as in the comment above by Phillip specifies that these are required). My problem is with the way that apple have chosen to have absolutely no replaceable parts.

1 Ram chip fails… That’s a motherboard

1 Ssd chip fails… That’s a motherboard

A USB-C socket fails… That’s a motherboard

The wifi module fails… That’s a motherboard

anything goes wrong… That’s a motherboard

It’s a wasteful and anti consumer decision that cannot be justified

Grant Spedding -

As a pro user, there’s definitely something to be said for repairability. However, as any pro should know, you never trust any one device or system completely. 99.9999% reliability still isn’t quite perfect, and I’ve experienced failures. That’s why I have backups. I NEVER rely on one storage medium. It’s much easier for me to quickly recover a file from Backblaze and work on another machine.. Price is also an important factor - it’s much less costly for me to quickly download a file and get back to work on a backup computer and FedEx my laptop to get repaired under warranty than it is to take time out of my day, pay out of pocket, and wait for a repair shop to recover my data. SSDs fail too, and being able to remove an SSD doesn’t do me much good if it’s what’s broken. Most of us work from servers or external drives regardless. Repairability matters, but my camera bag is already heavier than I’d like - if I have to sacrifice repairability for my back health, I’ll take it

Ashley Ryan -

well well. like 30 years of PRO models by every single other manufacturer.. well including apple till 2015, including Mac Pro. one of the best examples is HP Probook. it is clearly designed to be serviceable, you can swap the hard drive with 2 screws, you can clean fans, you can replace keyboard, etc. PRO means that you do not need to buy a new one as soon as you drop a few drops of liquid.

inwerp -

I can totally agree that a device’s performance is not affected by its repairability. But while you think that your device’s repairability has nothing to do with you, as you are not a professional repairer, the repairability of the device is very important when you run into a hardware issue. For example, a Thunderbolt 3 port on your MacBook is not working due to a malfunction of the Intel JHL Controller, that’s a motherboard right there, equivalent to nearly 2000 bucks, unless the repairer can perform micro soldering (Apple won’t do that). And who’s paying that fee? You, of course. Your screen cracks, another couple hundred bucks. Your keyboard breaks, no coverage program, bam, more money spent. In the end, you are suffering too. Apple’s gimmick is that they make things so unrepairable that your repairing fee is basically the same as buying another device (a tad bit cheaper), or that they simply don’t repair, so you are forced to buy more devices, and the more you buy, the more money Apple makes out of you.

Stanley Qiu -

I had my SSD cable broken last day, took out my SSD and connected it via USB, continued working until my new cable arrives in 3 three days. I do not have another laptop or PC. Being a pro does not mean you have multitudes of everything but being able to find quick solutions on the go. Now we can not do this with the new MacBook ‘pro’ . I upgraded my MacBook Pro (mid-2012) with an ssd and extended its life, but no more, now it is old and should get a new one. Stuck!

Deniz Ozut -

oh boy…why even allow it to be opened in the first place? rivets and glue just make this design worse.. I think you need to have a negative number for your review system- thx for the work on busting open these devices.

MND DESIGN - 回复

i wish they would just allow the batteries to be easily replaced at the very minimum

jamieexeter - 回复

Step 8. It says “Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 flash storage (512 GB total)”.

Does it mean that it has two SSD sticks? RAID? Thanks!

Peter Gamble - 回复

Just two NAND modules, one controller, so not RAID

nitesh singh -

Individual LEDs under each key cap are gone. Guess it can’t all be wins, I did like how much more precise the light was without bleeding out around it. Does the new one have more light bleed then?

nitesh singh - 回复

Thanks for the teardown! Did they fix the fragile display cable? Or is that still bound to break?

Felix - 回复

Hey Felix! It’s hard to say for sure whether they’ve totally fixed it, but last year they adjusted the length of the cables in question and as far as I know, those machines have yet to experience any display or backlight issues directly related to those cables. The 16” Pro’s display cables are still precariously placed and built into the display, but like the “improved” Pros of last year, they seem to have enough slack that they shouldn’t get stretched over the display controller board and short out over time.

Taylor Dixon -

Thanks Taylor!

Felix -

Men, I really hoped we would see replaceable RAM or SSD. I am still waiting out with a fully upgraded Macbook Pro 13 2012 non retina.

Guess I have a little longer to wait for a replacement. Nice to see the keyboard fixed though.

Peterdk - 回复

Same here :( but low tech is the futur … ^^;

snoid2 -

I’m dissapointed about flash memory. The flash memory is soldered!!!! :(

Estoy decepcionado sobre el almacenamiento flash. El almacenamiento flash está soldado!!!! :(

joerfrada - 回复

What’s the difference between TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 SSD?

Jay S - 回复

No mention of the soldered on flex cable between the display and the motherboard. Is that still the case with this model?

wiggin - 回复

Had the same question and got this very informative answer: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 拆解

Felix -

I’m not sure it’s technically correct to conclude that “the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards” just because the keyboard assembly is riveted in place. The Butterfly keyboards were less repairable than Apple’s 2015 Scissor keyboards, which were also riveted in place.

The Butterfly keyboards didn’t allow you to remove/replace keycaps, so if debris got underneath the key, your only hope was to spray some compressed air around the edge of the key and hope for the best. The ability to remove a keycap, spray for debris, and then replace the keycap itself makes this keyboard at least a little more repairable. (The MacBook keyboard has never had replaceable keyswitches AFIAK.)

dan - 回复

This is a bummer. I should have waited until this release, before I bought mine. I really want the 32Gb. I was hoping to be able to upgrade it.

limegrntaln - 回复

At least batteries should be replaceable with removable stretch tape. If half the computer has to be thrown away to replace a keyboard or battery, this is not environmentally friendly.

Richard Burton - 回复

Hopefully Apple can apply the same improvements to the 13” to make it a 14” and change how batteries are attached to improve repair ability.

Richard Burton - 回复

UWB - Ultra Wide Band Chip anywhere?

Steffen Thieringer - 回复

Why does it weight 2x an LG gram? Would love to see you tear down one of those and compare the weight of each part

Gregg Tavares - 回复

Shame that people still buy these units. Soldered on everything is an absolute joke. What's even more comical is seeing all the articles come out commenting on the much improved keyboard. Does anyone even acknowledge the stupidity of that statement? It's a 2k-6k laptop and that's all the majority of people care about? Thank you for everything you do here, hopefully one day I'll be able to upgrade my 2011 17” mbp.

Mike M - 回复

You nailed it. A decent keyboard is kinda expected, right? Not to mention that the Apple has been trying to quietly kill the MacOS for a long time. It needs a complete overhaul. iOS on ARM processors is the future, right? Buying a Macbook Pro is more costly than the initial inflated (customer gouging) purchase price. Open up the wallet people!! $379 + service fees.

AppleCare+ for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro includes:

Three years (total) limited hardware warranty.

Three years (total) technical support.

Coverage for two incidents of accidental damage (subject to a service fee of $99 for screen damage or $299 for other damage)

Customer901428 -

What makes a PRO device PRO is not necessarily “upgradeability” (which is also true) but repairability and compatibility…

When you have a memory, storage or any component failure (battery, display, etc) and you have to change the whole unit (maybe at your own expense) this is not a PRO device, it’s just a very fancy consumer product.

When you have to change your peripherals (PRO expensive peripherals you have acquired through years) just because your new “PRO” computer has changed the connectors and forces you to buy converters, dongles and all kind of expensive $@$* just to connect your existing equipment to a computer from the same manufacturer, then you don’t have a PRO computer. Even if it does have “PRO” in the name.

When you are forced to buy new equipment every 2 or 3 years to keep pace with the always-changing technology, or just to cover repair costs, you are never capable of getting a return of investment. That’s not a PRO equipment.

esmuposible - 回复

I have been waiting for a fixed keyboard and 16 inch MacBook for a while. $@$*!& repairability, but it looks like I don’t have any other option other than buying it. Don’t want to go back to Windows, nor buying 2015 Macbook :(

Javanshir Alammadli - 回复

Apple uses recycled aluminum for their bottom line, not to protect the environment from unnecessary waste. If you can repair you own MacBook Pro, then you don’t need to pay the Apple tax. Apple is terrified of losing a revenue stream. State of California, where are your right to repair laws? Laws for everything else. What a joke! Say one thing, do the opposite. My Lenovo Thinkpad (repairable) is more enjoyable to use, and gives me access to Ubuntu and Windows 10. Gaming and a work covered. My use cases for Macbook Pro, web browsing, email, imessage, and photo editing. Is the Macbook Pro worth the cost for mainstream users, not really. “innovation” (or reverse “innovation”) is being celebrated. Basically, it works like this, Apple makes a design decision for you in a vacuum. Then, you have to wait years and years for Apple to admit the mistake (if they do) and reverse it. If you have to buy a Macbook Pro, get it used for half the cost and help the environment from less Apple waste.

Customer901428 - 回复

After nearly 8 years with my upgraded mid 2012 MacBook Pro Unibody, I decided it is time to get the 2019 16”.

With 4TB of SSD, 16gb ram and 2.7ghz Quad, there hasn’t been enough of a leap (or really a need) to get a new machine for my needs (lightroom, photoshop, indesign, illustrator). I’m uncomfortable with the all-soldered board - I’ve had 3 SSD failures on my current machine, but they were always an easy swap. Gone through 4 batteries as well.

With Ethernet, FW800, USB3, and ease of serviceability I believe this is one of the last truly Pro laptops from Apple. Unfortunately, quality parts are getting harder come by. The old keyboard needed to be replaced but is not as good as the original. Batteries from iFixit are failing much quicker than the Apple component. Cant even find a protective case for it these days.

I hope I can get the same amount of years out of the 2019 16”.

jason - 回复

Shameless laptop, MUCH overpriced, no PRO at all, Will past………… A JOKE AT BEST

maximinlida - 回复

@zimmie Youre actually wrong about the T2 part, specifically how it actually works. I work as an AASP technician, heres how it works. 1: it is not a tool, its a secondary macbook running apples Data Transfer Utility, which is part of the Mac Confoguration Utility Suite provided to us. 2: In order to *use* those utilities, you must have access to an AST2 account (https://diagnostics..apple.com) and be authorized to use that tool by whatever AASP you work for, or be authorized by apple for an apple store style job. 3: you must *also* have an active repair in apples GSX system (Global Service Exchange, gsx.apple.com) AND have the Logic Board (or replacement laptop) added to the repair itself. If no replacement board is added, then this utility tells you to f*ck off. 4: This tool 100% relies on the fact that T2, CD3215, USB-C port, NAND, and any relevant power rails and data lines are not dead or broken. If your T2 chip died, or a power fail on the board responsible for T2 dies, or NAND on the board dies, or any similar issues, youre f*cked. Plain and simple. You *have* to do board repait at that point to get it to a state where this actually works, assuming it isnt NAND , T2, or ISL9240 that killed itself. If these killed themselves then you have 0 chance of recovery since you cannot get these parts at all. Since you worded it as if any plain Jane can do it, youre intentionally making your argument invalid and youre also spreading misinformation about apples repair side and peoples ability as a consumer to actually practice recovering data form theirt dead macbooks.

Phillip Hue - 回复

If you can get the machine to boot into Thunderbolt Target mode and have another Mac available, you can recover your own data. And every SSD has the same issues if the controller, SDRAM cache if present, enough NAND dies / packages, or host interface cease to function. The additional complexity of the Mac logic board does mean there’s a lot more opportunity for things to go wrong though. But you’d also be surprised what professional data recovery services are capable of, even going back to the days of spinning disks. If you’re comfortable doing BGA rework in the first place, it’s not that big of a deal to transfer a known good PMIC from another logic board. And depending on the circumstances, the data recovery may be worth enough to the customer to pay for something like that.

repoman27 -

@repoman27 While you are correct that involved repairs that require specialized equipment and training IE BGA rework. can recover almost anything from a macbook in any condition. Have you ever checked the cost of having someone do BGA rework on a motherboard? And will Apple ever offer the service?

And failing that will Apple ever help 3rd parties to complete these type of repairs, ie supply the required parts and manuals?

If you watch some of Louis Rossmann’s videos regarding parts availability and the CBS special on taking a macbook with a simple fault that was immediately quoted the cost of the unit and with no data intact.

Apple could resolve this cheaply and simply by making the SSD removable and to use either a removable TPM or include the encryption method on the SSD to allow for it to be connected to another system for data recovery.

Grant Spedding -

I won’t buy a new computer unless it’s repairable and upgradable. Apple is very close to loosing my 35 year allegiance (and I have purchased dozens of Macs over that period). The Windows notebooks my employer furnishes are not as pretty but they are way more repairable and upgradable. Apple charges more and used to offer top quality and longevity in exchange. Their last 4 or 5 years have been a downward spiral in both “advantages” accelerated by a string of buggy OS releases.

gary - 回复

Pro is short for prostitute.

It just means that you get paid for doing it.

I expect a Pro device to be designed to minimise the chance of it needing repair.

Generally repairability is achieved at the expense of reliability.

Ifixit, great as they are, are biased on this topic as they make their money from device repairs. They have every motive to promote repairability over reliability.

Alex Bowden - 回复

Let’s park the name pro. This is a very expensive laptop. So it should work for 8 - 10 years. In order to do so, it must be possible to upgrade and repair. But it is not.

Besides, our earth is fragile and has limited resources. Repair helps the planet. But this fancy laptop can hardly be repaired.

Ooh Apple, why are you so money focussed in stead of creativity focussed? Where are all the new devices and creative designs that you used to make in the past? We only see more of the same: thinner, lighter, with better battery and with a subwoofer. But no new products at all. No new groundbreaking pro software either. Apple was fighting Big Blue/ The System back in the 80’s. I’ll guess Apple itself is now The System…

Danny - 回复

The bottom cover’s screws are still P5?

tong1774 - 回复

Correct! They are still P5.

Arthur Shi -

They COULD do better, but why would they?

Apple is the only company with their own wireless (no blame for delivering Airdrop), apple-branded SSD (what the heck), T2 “security chip”.

That have nothing to do with “Pro”. That said, “Pro” users most likely will modify their hardware to suit their needs (or swap out broken stuff to make it live longer) but as far as I know this is against Apple’s intentions.

Hey, they still use screws.

Xavier Jiang - 回复

10 points to Gryffindor for the Angry Face tear-down layout. Well played. As for the unit itself, I’m thrilled that they got so many of the crucial details right: massive RAM and SSD options (RAM reasonably priced, SSD…not so much), more battery, reliable heat dispersion, a keyboard we know works and feels right, and a small improvement in screen real-estate. I’m still on my original MBPr from 2013, and she’s still a workhorse. But the years are showing and it’s time to put her out to pasture. To those people who claim MacBooks are way overpriced, I counter with my nearly 7 year old MBPr and say, “$2,800 over 6 years is a pretty damned good ROI.” Hopefully, this new 16” will see 5-7 years as well.

I just wish Apple would bring back the glowing  and the boot-chime…C'est la vie

AniMill - 回复

960€ for additional 48GB ram, while one can get 64GB for 416€ (steepest price I could find) on the free market.

I wonder.. what kind of cool aid did you take to call Apple’s ram prices “reasonable “?

Ceyx -

Here’s another perspective on the “Pro” label. One might say, “who cares about ease of repairs if you’ve got a paid service plan like AppleCare…however they do it, it’ll get taken care of”. In the PC world, the business line of Dell’s laptops (“Latitude” labeled) are designed to be *very* repairable, especially compared to their lowest end products. How does this help the “pro” user? Pro’s who use their laptop every working second of the day really *hate* to part with it for long, especially if it is still mostly functional. It means that when someone has a broken keyboard, we can arrange for a company rep to visit on-site (This is included in the sub $200 service plan) and they’ll sit at our conference table and replace the keyboard in under an hour (their toolset consisting primarily of a few phillips head screwdrivers). Compare that to taking their MBP to the Apple Store and being told they’ll have it back in 2 days (or so).

davidw - 回复

Overpriced paperweights. That is all these things are. The very idea that Apple makes it so difficult, if not impossible to repair your system, or even perform some of the most basic types of upgrades that virtually every other manufacturer allows you to make, is just a huge middle finger to their customers. I’m not gonna drop $2,500 on something that I can’t repair if something happens or goes wrong. I will stick with my $800 - $1,200 Windows machines that I know I can repair if needed. My current $850 lappy is still going strong after about 5 years of heavy use, and shows no sign of slowing down.

And Alex Bowden, Apple is equally, if not MORE biased in making sure that you are forced to purchase more of their products as often as possible, and they do that by making their devices unable to be repaired, or even upgrade-able. (Really? You can’t even let us upgrade the SSD now?)

Ryan Clarke - 回复

I have to say the word “PRO” or Professional was or is an important factor in the ability to keep on going, or have the choice to make upgrades or any improvements along the way. As a person who has spent over 30 years in the “Pro” Audio recording business we have spent thousands of “Extra $” for the ability to repair, or upgrade as needed. And as quickly as possible! In the “Pro” markets, hardware, firmware and software upgrades are part of the deal. We anticipate the expected as well as the the unexpected. We do NOT spend tons of $ to “Use once, Then Throw Away “ I had considered buying the new 16” unit…. but now I shall pass after seeing what iFix-it has revealed to all of us “Pro” folks in the field. Another day, another dollar .

vic - 回复

And yet Apple still refused to cool the VRMs properly. Those things will throttle like !&&* under full load, throttling the CPU and GPU. Why couldn’t they just put a copper plate on that covers the CPU, GPU, VRMs, and GDDR6? If I pay this much for it, I better not have an incentive to break into it with a screwdriver and a pack of thermal pads!

Ethan Zuo - 回复

I don’t know how to put a thumbs up for definition of PRO for Grant Spedding & John Ward. Good jobs

Babak - 回复

What about the cable connecting the LCD to the logic board? With the 2016+ MBP 15-Inch the cable was fixed on the LCD side and overtime got pinched. Did they fix this with the 16-inch?

Update: Flexgate issue -> https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18634...

manish328 - 回复

I will have to await an iMac redesign that will allow easy opening for cleaning/repairs/upgrades. Absent that, I will simply continue to make do with my late 2013 Macpro. While not upgradeable, except for memory and ssd, at least it is engineered to be dismantled for repairs. (Note ifixit’s repairability score.) The trash can’s performance is more than usable for my purposes, and it does run cool - the cpu rarely gets above 65C. Apple can’t seem to get it through their heads that the marketplace is demanding a repairable MacBook, and failure to provide one is only going to do continuing damage to their reputation.

Robert Meppelink - 回复

I will correct myself here and say that the marketplace seems to be wanting a Macbook pro with a user replaceable ssd and battery, to be done with minimal tools, simply by removing the bottom cover. This would probably require the Macbook pro to be thicker, and very noticeably so. No one would care.

Robert Meppelink -

Do you see the flexgate issue recurring in this new MBP? It seems that with new design comes problems and i’m skeptical that they may have overseen the display flex cable issue this year.

Any clarification would be appreciated

Brian Ramirez - 回复

I have owned and used many Apple products since 1999 (a relative newcomer, I admit, compared to many). It has always been for me a love/hate relationship. But lately, there’s been a lot more on the hate side than the love side. This 16” MBP does nothing to change that perception. I currently am using two 15” MBPs, a company-supplied 2018 i7 Touch Bar model, and a personally owned 2015 i7 Retina. The former has been rather a disappointment all the way around, while the latter is likely the last MBP I will ever buy, unless Apple changes course. I cannot, and will not, support the concept that devices with a finite number of write cycles should ever be soldered to a motherboard, let alone the lack of upgradeability.

My 2015 recently received a 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD upgrade, and actually has better R/W performance than the 2018. Cost around $200. I don’t even want to know what a comparable upgrade would cost for the 2018.

Useful lifespan used to be an Apple selling point. Not anymore, it seems.

Jeff Cook - 回复

Apple’s trend towards soldered-on components and deliberately complicating repairs really makes me sad. I have tried to leave to other systems several times but I love the Apple ecosystem and always come back for it. The new continuity features are just amazing, especially SideCar… !&&*, I would spring for one of these new MBPs if they were more repair and upgrade friendly! but I’m not dropping $3k on something that, if a necessary component breaks a year later after warranty is up, will leave me out hundreds or thousands of $$ for costly repairs.

Apple wants people to just buy another one or pay a lot of $ for their Apple Care scam. Well, screw you too Apple, I’ll just keep buying older used Apple products on Craigslist and not give you any $ until you get your act together.

Tyson Roehrkasse - 回复

I’m so salty that I bought a $4500 MacBook Pro like 3 months aaago. See what I did there? Any chance I can slaap one of those keyboards in for this HORRIBLE butterfly junk?

Drew Payment - 回复

I see whattt you did there! Unfortunately, the internal frames between the butterfly and scissor keyboards are different and not swappable without considerable modifications.

Arthur Shi -

Hello what about the screen câbles which HAD problems before. Are they better now ?

Nicolas Rat's - 回复

Guess I’m keeping my 2010 pro another year at least…

turcottesh - 回复

Curious whether this uses “TouchID 1” like the other Macbook Pros, or if we’ve gotten an upgrade to the faster TouchID 2 introduced in the iPhone 6S.

Eric Jacobsen - 回复

do you discuss and demonstrate the complications of removing the bottom cover to this 16” computer? where is the demonstrating of pulling it off in your video? after taking screws out of the bottom cover, it is complicating to unhook it from the machine via specialized hooks - unlike older macbook pro computers.

please notate, thanks.

tiko - 回复

tiko, these bottom covers are pesky to remove! We don’t have a guide for this 16” MBP yet, but you can check out our guide for the 15”—the procedure is the same. Hope this helps!

Taylor Dixon -

Hi! Thanks for the article. Can you please give a bit more details how to remove the speakers? Are they just glued?

sir_paul - 回复

I’ve been in both the broadcast and consumer end of electronic repair for several decades and the label “Pro” use to be tied directly to the accessibility and repair-ability of electronic equipment. Pro equipment was designed to be repaired and maintained with relatively easy access. There where call outs on circuit boards and tie points for test equipment along with straight forward disassembly and reassembly. None of that existed on cheap consumer, non “Pro” equipment. Apple has merged the “Pro” and “Consumer” moniker to some degree with the high price of “Pro” and the inability to maintain or repair that embodies cheap “Consumer” equipment. They have not done themselves a great service by taking this approach.

Robert Dorr

Robert Dorr - 回复

Hi! Thanks so much for your guide. Do you think is there any risk to speakers if you pass the vaccum cleaner over the spearks grill?

With regards!

Juan - 回复

Could we have more details on the 3-mic array? It seems not a single source is available on the Internet about it.

Jiahe Shi - 回复

Is it possible to fit 2017” MacBook pro 15” components in the 16” chassis? Asking for a friend.

Bobby - 回复

Any comments on the LCD panel: how they achieved thin borders and its stack up?

V Sethna - 回复

Hi any update on the LCD panel itself? I am interested on its thin borders and the overall stack up of the components. and the replaceability of the LCD panel.

V Sethna - 回复

I cracked my trackpad. I see you note it’s replaceable, can I use the trackpad from an 15 MBP?

Gig - 回复

I think the accelerometer was to prevent platter damage in a drop, there are on platters in this book, any idea why is the accelerometer there?

perris - 回复

Hi,

Could be possible to exchange the keycaps on a Macbook A2141 with US keyboard, with those of a last Italian desktop Magic Keyboard?

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052...

Thanks

Regards

Carlo - 回复

Hi Carlo,

If the Italian Magic Keyboard is similar to the American Magic Keyboard, then yes, most keys should be exchangeable. You may have some issues with the larger keys, such as the shift and space keys.

Arthur Shi -

“Pro” means flexibility, and always has. It isn’t about whether the user does the upgrades themselves; it is about the power to upgrade a machine. This ability to continue to invest in your investment is part of what makes a machine “Pro.” I would rather pay an extra $1000 for a machine that is upgradeable, than for one that is not. Apple got it all wrong in this arena this time. Thin is overrated in a “Pro” product; Apple could have traded thinness for upgradability.

Segue - 回复

The only reason I would trade in my matte screen 2011 MBP is that a charge only lasts an hour with a new One World replacement battery. I have googled the problem but found nothing beyond the usual “check if an app is using a lot of power”. After reading this, I think I will have to suffer a bit longer unless one of you guys can help me out with an explanation.

Ronald Chalmers - 回复

where in the world is the FULL tear down video???

David Hernandez - 回复

Tim Cook has slowly and deliberately undermined every reason to buy a Mac. He’s turning out to be Apple’s Steve Ballmer, no genuine passion for quality, just concerned about profits. But I’m not buying shares.

Came here to see if I could replace my mid-2009 with something viable for the same amount of years. It’s been through many hard drives, most spinning, and a few batteries. There have been times when I swapped a drive right out of a backup case and kept going. But the passion for quality and the company customer advocate was buried since my 2009 was made.

I hate dealing with the Apple Store, it feels like a contrived scam and I don’t want to give some big company my old hard drive with my data on it, nor do I want their techs to have access to it.

Thank you, iFixit, you’re doing dog’s work.

speedyk - 回复

Would someone mind sharing where the Touch ID Cable is located and possible make a guide on how to reseat the connection. I am getting that dreaded “Touch ID Failed to complete Enrollment” Error. and nothing has worked to resolve it (PRAM,SMC,Fresh macOS, Revived/Restored Firmware via DFU mode) leaving me out of options. third MacBook Pro with this problem, and apple refuses to fix it. go figure.

Stefan Lewis - 回复

No idea if it will help, but you can reseat the connection following steps 29-31 of this guide. Good luck!

Jeff Suovanen -

How on earth can Apple get away with attaching the battery in such a way that a battery replacement requires also replacing the top case, speakers and keyboard? Certainly they could have found a less user hostile way to attach a component with a finite life span.

Justin Sitter - 回复

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