简介

苹果今年发布了三款笔记本,不能让我们的拆解台闲着。 我们从入门级的MacBook Pro "Escape 版本"着手,今天我们拿到了这个产品线的最高端版本。双风扇,上百万像素,而且还有全新的Touch Bar来取代的传统的功能键,这只说明了一件事:是时候拆解这台新的配备Touch Bar的15英寸MacBook Pro了。

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15寸MacBook Pro比我们原先拿到的13寸机型多出了百万像素。先来看看我们所期待的技术规格:
  • 15寸MacBook Pro比我们原先拿到的13寸机型多出了百万像素。先来看看我们所期待的技术规格:

    • 15.4英寸 LED背光视网膜屏 2880 x 1800分辨率(像素密度220ppi),P3色域

    • 2.6GHz Skylake 四核心 英特尔酷睿i7处理器(睿频可到3.5GHz)以及AMD Radeon Pro 450 配备2GB GDDR5显存

    • 16 GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 板载内存

    • 256 GB PCIe 板载固态硬盘(可选配512 GB,1 TB和2 TB固态硬盘)

    • 四个 Thunderbolt 3(USB-C)接口,支持充电,DisplayPort(DP)视频输出,Thunderbolt接口,USB 3.1 Gen 2 。

    • Touch Bar 以及Touch ID传感器

    • Force Touch(压感)触控板

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如果你有这两台机器,把他们堆在一起。这里躺在我们今天主角上方的就是 MacBook Pro 13"。除了大小的不同,这两台机器几乎一模一样。我们很期待他们的内部有多相似(或者不相似)。
  • 如果你有这两台机器,把他们堆在一起。这里躺在我们今天主角上方的就是 MacBook Pro 13"。除了大小的不同,这两台机器几乎一模一样。我们很期待他们的内部有多相似(或者不相似)。

  • 15寸 MacBook Pro 识别型号为A1707,非常好的插在了两款我们之前拆解过的机型:A1706A1708

  • 再提醒一下,这个笔记本由苹果于加利福尼亚设计,中国组装

  • 就像以前的MBP系列一样,在机身两侧依旧有着很长的进气条。如果和13寸的一样,那这个进气条应该还有着扬声器外放的作用

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  • 休斯敦,我们起飞了! 拆解第一步分离。

  • 初看 MBP 15 就像是 MBP 13 的放大版。我们注意到了电池排列的不同,但整体上就像双胞胎一样。

  • 看看我们又看到了什么!一个毫无卵用的接口。

    • 传言说这个接口是给被Apple焊接到主板上的固态硬盘用来恢复数据的。

    • 我们仍宁愿看到可拆卸/可升级的固态硬盘,尤其在这么一个面向专业人士的笔记本上。这样就算是主板坏掉了也还有可能在苹果的帮助下恢复数据的机会。

The "connector to nowhere" is probably the PCIe lanes for the SSD. The cover has a PCB that joins the lanes.

In theory you should be able to use a adapter and plug it into a standard x4 PCIe slot (or maybe one that converts it to Thunderbolt or USB3?).

Jason Simonelli - 回复

There's an adapter/kit out there that exists from Apple whose purpose is just that.

Zaphod - 回复

Official Apple tool : CDM Tool Kit for transferring data over usb cable to laptop, and flexcable to motherboard

Albert Eindstein - 回复

Where are the speakers? Where are they located? Can you put up some pictures?

Zillo - 回复

Can I replace speaker on this step? Or I need to get out logic board before that?

maredwinz - 回复

  • 就像其他两款2016 MBP 一样,移除触控板毫不费力。简单的拧下13个 T5 螺丝,如何触控板就拆掉了

  • 这触控板大的像怪物一样,几乎和iPad mini 4 一样大了

    • 现在我们知道哪款MacBook的触控板更有“营养”了

  • 我们一点也不惊讶在 MBP 15 上找到和 MBP 13 完全相同的 触控板 IC。然而因为触控板面积增大,Apple又加了一个触控主控来识别增大的面积

    • 意法半导体 STM32F103VB ARM Cortex-M3 MCU

    • 博通 BCM5976C1KUFBG 触控主控 x2

    • 美信 MAX11291ENX 24位,6通道 Σ - Δ 模数转换器

Interesting that we have two touch controllers here, while the slightly larger Magic Trackpad 2 only has one of the same kind.

Hadi Skeini - 回复

What was the actually size compared to the 13" trackpad. We see a visual but no real dimensions for relativity.

Nate - 回复

How To: Replace a Trackpad on a 2016 2017 2018 Touch Bar Retina MacBook Pro! A1707

https://youtu.be/08tOjiS_VhA

Milyonair - 回复

  • 继续,是时候把主板弄出来了。这块主板比13寸的更宽但是形状基本一样--对称的胡子状

  • 拿掉全新设计的散热鳍片 (依旧通过螺丝固定在主板背部),就能看到CPU以及GPU

这一代自己换硅脂清灰看来要把整个主板拆下来了,看图散热风扇壳的部分边角居然是压在主板下面,而且cpu和gpu热管的四颗螺丝居然也是从主板背面上紧的,WTF……

Davis - 回复

  • 来看看这胡子状的主板,究竟是什么让它具备至强性能。主要包括:

    • 英特尔 酷睿(Core) i7 6700HQ 四核处理器 2.6GHz主频 (最大睿频 3.5GHz)

    • 镁光 MT52L1G32D4PG-093 单片4GB LPDDR3 (四个芯片共计 16GB)

    • AMD Radeon Pro 450 独立显卡

    • 尔必达 (镁光) EDW4032BABG-70-F 单片512 MB GDDR5 显存 (四个芯片共计 2GB)

    • 英特尔 JHL 6540 雷电3接口控制器

    • 英特尔 SR2NH (似乎是总线控制器 PCH)

    • 德州仪器 CD3215C00 69AV2TW (即Apple T1 芯片)

intel JHL6540 supports two ports.

JJ Wu - 回复

Each side has two USB-C ports so the need to have two USB-C (Thunderbolt-3) controllers makes sense. What is odd is the fact one set of ports (side) is slower than the other.

Dan - 回复

Huh? I thought only the touch bar 13" model had slower ports.

Dan Parsons -

One of the controllers on the 13-inch model with four Thunderbolt 3 ports only has a PCIe 3.0 x2 connection to the PCH. The ports operate at full speed (40 Gbit/s), can transport two DP 1.2 links, provide 10 GbE Thunderbolt networking, and support native Thunderbolt, DP, and USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gb/s) signaling. There are no differences in their capabilities aside from the reduced PCIe bandwidth, which ends up being equivalent to that of Thunderbolt 2. Skylake-U chips lack PEG lanes for discrete GPUs, and the PCH only has connections for up to 12 PCIe 3.0 lanes. 4 went to the SSD, 1 to the Wi-Fi controller, 4 to the left-hand Thunderbolt 3 controller, 2 to the right-hand Thunderbolt 3 controller and the last one got orphaned. The link between the CPU and PCH in those systems is only equivalent to PCI 3.0 x4 though, so it could be saturated by the SSD alone.

repoman27 -

Texas Instruments CD3215C00 is a V-BUS power controller, not a TouchID controller.

Lucas - 回复

  • 仔细看一看 T1芯片,或者该叫它TI芯片?(德州仪器缩写即TI)

    • 德州仪器 CD3215C00 69AV2TW

  • 我们不能识别出来这个东西,但是它和Apple所说的用来驱动Touch Bar的 T1 芯片在同一个位置

so uh… why did you guys photoshop that last picture?

Andrew Cassidy - 回复

It’s just a composite of the actual board for direct comparison to the graphic, to help point out that Apple seems to have misidentified their own chip during the presentation. Not something most people would ever catch, and not really important, but kind of amusing.

Jeff Suovanen -

  • 在此面主板上其他的几个芯片:

It's a Samsung Polaris controller underneath the PoP DRAM, same as used in the Samsung SM961 and 960 Pro. The new 15-inch MBPs all appear to come with what is essentially a Samsung 960 Pro on board.

repoman27 - 回复

It should not be SAMSUNG Polaris SSD controller. It should be Apple proprietary SSD controller.

JJ Wu -

Under the system report it implies an Apple SSD controller. Apple owns their own SSD chip house so it would make sense for Apple to use their own SSD controller unless the Samsung controller was that much better. Remember Apple contracts these chips (custom) so they can get what they want.

For clarification PoP is Package on Package. Here’s a good write up explaining it Memory Packaging Challenges for the new Era

Dan -

how abt the full marking of NAND flash? any more details...

Wade Guo - 回复

These are a custom part made for Apple under contract.

Dan -

  • 来看看主板反面,我们找到了:

    • 三星 K9PHGY8 闪存芯片(MLC) (单片64GB,此面主板共128GB,整机共256GB)

    • 德州仪器 CD32 15C00 69C2HQW

    • 华邦 SpiFlash 25Q64FVIQ64 MB 串列式快闪记忆体

    • 德州仪器 TPS51980A 同步降压控制器

    • Intersil 95828 HRTZ X630MSW

    • Intersil 6277A HRZ W630DWW

    • Apple APL1023 343S00137 (这个芯片同样也在13寸 MBP Touch Bar上出现了,似乎和 T1 芯片一样负责Touch Bar的运行)

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  • 继续集成电路的盛宴:

    • 村田 Apple定制 339S00056 Wi-Fi 模块

    • Apple 338S00193-A1 16348HIP

    • 德州仪器 TMP513电源管理芯片

    • S2FPS04X01 A1632

    • 969A0 TI67J P6EH

    • 9239HI B632E7

Any idea if the 339S00056 wireless card has 3x3 MIMO? The 13" without touchbar they went with a 2x2 chip which means slower max wifi throughput. Does this 15" system stick with three antennas?

Josh Glazebrook - 回复

it has 3 antenna connectors to the motherboard

Albert Eindstein -

+1

Curious what support this client has, .11ac wave 2? MU-MIMO? DBDC?

jpadden - 回复

I have same questions, I can't find anything on this chip. Is it 3x3 MUMIMO? Mine hasn't arrived in mail yet to check.

matthewcoo - 回复

The WiFi module is .11ac wave 1 design.

Dan - 回复

  • 迫不及待的想要看看这第三款Apple重新设计的散热系统。我们首先拧下了四颗 T3 螺丝,拆下风扇

    • 在这里没有遇到任何困难,没有胶水固定

  • 另一方面,相比于我们在13寸机型(左)中看到的螺钉为中心的结构,打开这个使用粘合剂加卡扣的风扇(右)需要更费力

  • 这个风扇的扇叶也和此前在13寸机型上见到的完全不同

    • 同时,46.6毫米的大小也比13寸机型的42.3毫米更大

Besides larger than the 13" model, they also happen to be two different sizes, as we can see. Any reason for that?

Sander Schaeffer - 回复

Maybe it's as simple as those are what fit into the holes?

Lex - 回复

Maybe so that they hum at different frequencies, making them less unpleasant to hear.

Haley Pearse - 回复

The 15” model has a dedicated GPU so it runs hotter. The differences of the fans is the amount of air they can move (CFM). Basically the larger one can move more air.

Dan - 回复

In the Second Photo, in Step 11, what are all the parts / mechanisms there in the center area in-line with the vents? I know one of them is a connector, but not sure about the rest.

Stefan Lewis - 回复

  • 在前些日子拆卸13寸 Touch Bar MacBookPro 电池的痛苦挣扎之后,我们决定还是让这块电池待在它原来的地方

    • 我们偷懒了吗?可能吧.. 但我们还是测量出了这块6芯电池总共提供了11.40伏的电压及76.0瓦时的容量

  • 15寸机型的扬声器格栅和13寸机型差不多。大多数格栅并没有贯穿机身

"... Most of the grille doesn't include full through-holes, prompting us to question why the dimples, Apple? ..."

Try to inform you what the BASS REFLEX is ... and you'll find the answer.

The air mover "behind" the membranes for the creation of the sound is as important as the moving air "before" to the membranes.

 A simple picture may be enough to understand what "might be superfluous" that the grid holes are in front of the speaker membranes:

http://www.claudionegro.com/projects/spe...

http://www.ciaocrossclub.it/root/discore...

Henry - 回复

Interesting theory, but I don't think it applies here. Look at the middle picture in the teardown. The speaker assembly is glued directly to the dimpled metal part (the dimples are on the other side you can't see). So it's highly unlikely that those dimples are there to improve the vibration characteristics. The design seems to intentionally prevent bass reflex. To match the other pictures you provided, this would be a speaker attached to a solid block with no airflow around the speaker. Not saying that this is a bad design; just that the physics of an open speaker enclosure don't seem to apply.

Kirke - 回复

I do not have a MBP 2016, so I can not dismount, but the image I see a grid behind the speaker placement ... but mostly I read reviews that give the acoustics of these models as "better" and not " worst "of the past and those directly comparable as encumbrances.

(I apologize for English Google ...)

Henry - 回复

The sound coming out of the new MacBook Pro 15 inch is quite a bit better than any laptop that I've ever owned. The dimpling on either side of the keyboard maybe cosmetic but so are many things found on cars, stereos or even high-end speakers like cherry veneer.

kaztec - 回复

more surface area on the outside of the aluminum hull means more heat dissipation. might not make the most sense as a new feature but since it was already there why change it?

liorgalanti - 回复

The speaker grilles are completely cosmetic as a long design staple of the PowerBook/MacBook Pro design. First seen on the 2001 PowerBook G4 Titanium, the grilles were smaller as about the actual size of the speakers beneath them. But the aluminum redesign that came out a few years later pretty much cemented the current look today of wholly flanking the left and right sides of the keyboard. Back then, though, the case design had minimal vent holes on the bottom, so the grilles pulled double-duty as extra ventilation intake. Even back then, of course the speakers were never big enough to be the ACTUAL grilles themselves (see the subtle darker circles visible in the grilles in the linked picture. Also the ambient light sensor in the left grille.) And this continued on through the unibody design phase even after large vent intakes were added in the Retina-onward models. By that point it was a recognizable part of the MBP’s design language.

Matt Laskowski - 回复

I need to replace my left speaker, how hard it is to remove? Did you apply heat? Apple quoted me and obscene price I found two salvaged speakers and two OEM ones for a tenth of the price

Emilio Lari - 回复

@m0bi0us0ne They’re very well glued in place. Heat and a fair bit of force will do it, especially if you’re not concerned about trying to save the speaker. Soaking it with some isopropyl alcohol for a while might also work (just be mindful that it will leak through the other side due to the speaker holes in the chassis).

Jeff Suovanen -

Hi Emilio,

I read your comments on your left speaker, and I also have to replace mine. The sound coming from it is very low and muffled. I opened System Preferences>Sound>Output and turned settings full left and full right and there is a big diference between both. My left speaker is broken.

Did you fix your speaker? How as it to fix? Where did you buy it?

I think my problem was caused by me, I had 3 keys not functioning correctly, (5, 6 and b). I saw an Apple Support article about how to clean the keyboard with compressed air. I followed it, but instead of compressed air I used a Contact Clean Spray. I held my MacBook in a 75º angle and applied it the excess liquid that formed came out to the left side. At the time I didn't thought on the speaker. My keys came back and are working fine, but my left speaker is muffled.

Maybe the liquid got to the speaker and soaked the rubber membrane around the speak and ruined it.

Hope you can help me.

Have a good day.

Zillo -

  • Touch Bar:第二幕

  • 在又一次把触控条意外的从OLED面板上拆开,我们现在开始对OLED屏幕下手

  • 两个拆解工程师,一个撬棒,一把刻刀,无水酒精,热风枪和iOpener都加入到拆解 OLED 的行列中来,但是对于我们这一个小组Apple使用的胶水还是太多了

  • 鉴于这多到可怕的胶水把OLED面板牢牢的固定在机身上,我们放弃了..

Solvents next time?

Collin Reisdorf - 回复

You know... If you take a Touch Bar from one Macbook Pro and put it on another Macbook Pro, it probably shouldn't work if Apple did its job correctly. It's basically a Trusted Platform Module. I think that's why it is called a T1 chip. Does the Macbook Pro even boot without the Touch Bar?

applecranberry - 回复

What are the exact dimensions of the touch bar screen part? (width x height)

cameronehrlich - 回复

FYI:

Removing the TouchID button (for palmrest swaps following liquid exposure, presumably) is a pain, and if you damage it at all you’ll apparently need to get a new logic board entirely since the two are “married” as I’ve been led to understand. BE CAREFUL!

The button itself is mounted on a black metal shim-style frame/hinge that provides the button's pop-up action. The hinge's open edge is lateral (farther away from the center) and its connected edge is medial (towards the center of the laptop).

When removing and reattaching the button, you'll see that there are six screws to deal with - four silver and two black. The silver ones attach the button itself to the shim, and the black ones mount the shim to the frame. I found that the lateral black screw needs to be a little loose to give the button room to press in.

Also, spend a good deal of time being sure that your button alignment is proper - it’s really easy to have it shift or rotate slightly from its proper location. Don’t want to have to repeat your work!

ed - 回复

  • 全家福!

Not sure if anyone will read this comment, but just in case it helps someone out with this model (or other macbooks with the new butterfly keys).

These keyboards are notorious for experiencing issues with the keys sticking down or becoming irregularly responsive. People usually presume correctly that they’ve gotten some dust under the keys.

I believe there is an alternative explanation as well: the key caps are so thin that over time they actually warp, causing the outer edges of the keys to scrape the sides of the key wells leading to poor responsiveness.

If you’ve already blown the dust out and cleaned underneath the key with isopropyl alcohol after removing the cap, try to gently flatten the key and its edges back to right angles before re-installing it in the mac. I had to ‘clean’ under my “I” key about 5 times before I noticed that the key HAD actually warped. A few very gentle bends of the key with my fingers, and no more double-typing!!

Therese Stirling - 回复

最后的想法
  • 触控板可以在拆解电池前被轻易地拿下
  • 防撬螺丝使Mac更难被拆解
  • 电池非常难拆,被强力胶粘合在机身上,使得更换电池变得非常困难
  • 处理器,内存以及硬盘被焊接在主板上无法进行更换
  • Touch Bar 成为第二个难以更换的屏幕
  • Touch ID 传感器兼做电源键,并且与主板上的 T1 芯片配对。修复被损坏的电源键可能需要Apple的帮助或者更换整块主板
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looks like space fro 32GB ram and slightly bigger battery next year. expecting it.

Kim Zhou - 回复

Apple calls this a "pro" laptop? What a joke!

askudra - 回复

Why is it NOT a "pro" laptop?

Eric -

U are a joke lol

Yourmom Isfat -

A horse walks into a bar, and the bartender asks, "Why the long face?"

Now THAT is a joke.

Jake Rando -

Permanently soldered on RAM, SSD drive, limited to 16 GB RAM, lacks ports that are in still in common use, gimmicky touch bar, no function keys, crappy keyboard, everything glued together, nothing repairable, and they call this a professional laptop! Nope, just an overpriced, disposable, anorexic, consumer laptop that's a bit faster than the rest of their laptop line. This is not what us professionals want. I'm sticking with my 17" MacBook Pro.

askudra -

because its built like a disposable device such as a phone. Soldering the SSD is going to far. M.2 NVME could have been used, and it would have been much cheaper on the bill of materials.

Jason Elmore -

Solid State devices like DRAM and FLASH memory are all very reliable, soldering them to the circuit-board to save space by eliminating a connector makes perfect sense. As for the RAM limit, I'm a pro Software Developer and can work fine with only an 8GB Dual-Core MacBook Pro. I have to wait a bit longer for full builds, but that's not the biggest part of my job. And finally, how many Windows PC laptops are there with FOUR Thunderbolt 3 ports? This laptop is more Pro than any other.

Eric -

The very things that you object to are exactly what will make this machine phenomenally reliable.

henry3dogg -

@Eric: FWIW, my work early-2013 MBPro Retina a few months ago suddenly stopped booting reliably or even getting to the Apple logo. It probably had the problem listed at https://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro.... Fortunately, the helpdesk at my work had an identical vintage machine in storage, so we just swapped SSDs, and I was good to go in under 20 minutes.

Try that if the SSD is soldered to the mobo.

cwerdna -

As a pro of 40 years+ standing, I consider 4x Thunderbolt 3 to be ideal.

Where else can I get that?

henry3dogg -

@Cwerdna

Most likely it was the connector that was faulty. In which case you wouldn't have needed to.

henry3dogg -

@Eric: Also, don't care about 3 Thunderbolt 3 ports. They're of 0 use to me w/o adapters. I work on iOS software. I use the Thunderbolt 2 ports and Magsafe on my work laptop each day, since I have 2 Thunderbolt displays. I plug in USB iOS devices sometimes directly into the laptop. I also at least daily plug in a USB 3.0 external hard drive for Time Machine backups. We sometimes project at meetings via Thunderbolt 2 or HDMI. Now I need to be a "pro" by needing a wad of adapters.

With one of these new laptops, my displays can't power my laptop and the extra Magsafe brick will become useless. I'll need to spring for a $79 brick + $19 USB-C cable. And, if I don't scavenge a power cord from a retired machine (so the brick doesn't block a bunch of outlets), it's another $19 for a cord: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/10/opinion-m....

cwerdna -

Ummm, 4 USB-C ports that happen to carry Thunderbolt isn't "pro"... You will need adapters to use them with current Thunderbolt gear anyway in which case you can use adapters on the older MacBook Pro's to add more ports anyway... What's the difference? At least with the older MacBook Pro you don't NEED adapters to use HDMI, USB, SD Card reader or Thunderbolt.

djlobb01 -

@henry3dogg

Which other laptops have Thunderbolt 3? A complete list would be too long: Asus, Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Razer, etc. But here's a list of TB3 laptops ranging from 13' ultra books to 17' professional machines.

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10579-lap...

As you can see, most of them have REMOVABLE SSDs. Many have CPUs equivalent to the new MacBook Pro, and with a similar size/weight but at much lower prices. There are even quite a few that have 32GB RAM available.

(And with a removable SSD, it's easy to upgrade a laptop to a HD as fast as the new MBP next year.)

I've been a long time Apple enthusiast, but the new MBP is underwhelming and disappointing.

Victor Szulc -

for all those interested, the SSD isn't actually soldered. It's just a special form factor; not M.2 or anything common. All modern laptops have soldered processors, it is unfair to ding Apple for doing this when Dell, Lenovo, MSI, ASUS, Acer, Razer, HP, and other companies all do it too. People can easily get a dongle for the USB C, c'mon guys, you're spending ~$4,000 like me, you can afford a single adapter from amazon. The battery life is already significantly better than almost all windows laptops, the only exclusion may the Lenovo ThinkPads. Very few companies offer displays as bright/colorful as Apple.

Lastly, M.2/NVMe would mean sacrificing the speed that these MacBooks ships with today. Why would you rather have a slower SSD with a common form factor when you can have a super fast SSD with a specialized form? They're SSDs anyway, it's highly unlikely for them to fail unless you're writing to the disk and reading from it 24/7/365.

Norton -

@norton12 You must be thinking of a different model. This is not an SSD with a custom form factor, it's just a handful of ICs soldered directly to the main board—both sides of it, in fact.

Jeff Suovanen -

Askudra, I do whole-heartedly agree with you and every pro knows the MBP is not really a “Pro” device; its only a buzzword for marketing. Though before I continue, just take thought for a second that Apple® known as innovators have always created designs that are far more advanced then the technology available creating a conflict, and the other side is that what technology is available would be way to expensive for consumers if used which partly explains why there is always a delay on new tech from Apple®

As for the MBP lacking the needs of a Pro, I agree the loss of hardware personalization is a tragedy. The new era of Apple has lead cosmetic design to come before device functionality, a poorly designed thermal system that allow temperatures to reach 212F / 100C and cause potential hardware damage, an inefficient firmware and very soon the loss of Intel Chips…

We all suffer from the conflicts of Apple’s inability to create a MBP that meets the everyday needs of a Professional. Not sure that will ever change.

Stefan Lewis -

Does this model have a removable touch id (power button) as the 13" model did?

Ryan Tucker - 回复

No it doesn't.

Though that depends on what you mean by: "removable". Is it theoretically removable, meaning that there is a small chance that Apple can replace it, instead of giving you a new MacBook? Possibly.

Can you do it yourself or in a repair shop? Not a chance in !&&* with all that glue. At least not in one piece. And you won't be able to get parts.

Victor Szulc -

We didn't show it in the teardown, but to reiterate: the Touch ID / power button is perfectly removable. Unlike the Touch Bar it's secured with screws, not glue. It's still presumably paired to the logic board at the factory for security reasons, so you can't replace it yourself without disabling Touch ID—but if the question is simply "Can you remove it?" the answer is yes.

Jeff Suovanen -

I wonder what would the 2T SSD consist of.

Yongfan Men - 回复

Perhaps an eDRAM with integrated Graphics would make the MacBook Pro "GDDR-free", therefore it's possible to put more RAM chip on it.

Xizhi Ma - 回复

there is space for ram on the back side. don't need to remove the discrete graphic.

quoting apple, the lack of 32gb option at this time is due to battery life. presumably the next gen 15" will have more efficient processor and ram, and larger battery, thereby allowing the additional ram spaces to be used.

Kim Zhou -

The 16 GB limit is due to using LPDDR3 as opposed to DDR4. The Skylake memory controller doesn't support LPDDR4, and I don't believe Kaby Lake will either, so it will be a while before we see a MacBook Pro with more than 16 GB of RAM.

repoman27 -

Apple has lost their mind with that soldered SSD

rgarjr - 回复

These Comments rapidly fade out after the first few Month on the Market, because it will be copied by all the Competitors and become no longer relevant. Pro-User will buy 1TB or 2GB, all Consumers buy 256GB or maybe 512GB, if Money they realize 200 Bucks are cheap for such fast Storage.

Icke -

Icke:

What rubbish! There are already companies that are making laptops as thin as the MacBook Pro that use NVME, heck even the non-TouchBar 13" 2016 MBP uses a proprietary port, but atleast it's upgradable... People have their laptops for quite a while generally, not being able to upgrade storage down the line is ridiculous and only applies to small tablet PC's like the Surface "Pro", so in essence, Apple is copying Microsoft, as they have soldered storage on both their Surface Pro and Surface Book...

djlobb01 -

Soldered on SSD sucks, but apple have been doing it for a while now, which was why I took so long to update to a new laptop as I wass *hoping* apple would come back too their senses on this one. Alas.

shayne.oneill -

13inch non touchbar version could be the last MacBook Pro with removable SSD, I buying one next week because of this. If they do upgrade next year with 32gb ram which is great they may well all be soldered SSDs which is not so great :/

Adz - 回复

What camera does iFixit use for the photos?

Nicholas Ouimet - 回复

What about the microphone array (3 mikes)? In the 13" teardown you showed the third mike being out of place (unused). In the 15" this mike appears to be underneath the grille. So there must be three (3) real holes in that grille upper left hand side. I would appreciate if you could show that detail, because it is the first ever Macbook with a 3-mike array. Cool! And based on the distance among each other, it will work for 6-8 kHz signals (hence HQ speech). So expect clear FaceTime and better Siri performance.

weruaga - 回复

If you are iSheep then this is the best way to throw your money if you are a Pro then go to the Windows/Linux laptops from brands like ASUS, MSI or Gigabyte and if you want maximum flexibility go with Clevo brands like Sager, XMG, Eurocom and many other brands.

mosabrawi - 回复

ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte all have very "non-pro" customer support. You can walk into any Apple Store with your MacBook and get in-person customer support.

Eric -

A MacBook Pro will last twice a long as any of them and still have significant residual value.

henry3dogg -

henry3dogg: "A MacBook Pro will last twice a long as any of them."

You state that like it's 100% fact, not very clever... I beg to differ, as I am sure iFixit will attest. I had to repair a 2013 MBP which had a faulty SSD drive (not port, but drive itself). If that happens on the new MBP well than you can bet that you'll need a new logic board, If that happens on a Clevo, MSI or ASUS, it's as simple as swapping the part, everything down to the graphics card and RAM is swappable/repairable too. Don't talk rubbish unless you know what you are talking about. Very rarely has there been problems with the port/connector itself.

Eric: What's the point of great customer service if the computer has no serviceable parts apart from the trackpad?

Also I would say MSI and some Clevo brands like Sager and Metabox, are very good and responsive with customer support. There isn't really the walk-into-the-store type support but they respond quickly and their shipping is excellent.

djlobb01 -

iSheep. How very clever and mature!

And that's pretty poor advice too. For a MBP user a good replacement would be a workstations-class machine like Dell Precision, Lenovo P-series or HP Z book. (Esp. The latter.)

They all come with a similar battery life and weight/thickness as the 15' MBP, and some of them can have 32GB RAM. (Apparently not a great engineering challenge after all.)

I recommend people take a look. Apple will keep ignoring the Mac until they see sales suffer.

Victor Szulc -

To replace keyboard we have to first take the touch bar out or

without taking the touchbar we can replace keyboard.pls help I

want to know its technical side.i need help from ifixit engineers engineers pls help soon as possible

muhammed dilshad - 回复

Touchbar and keyboard are most likely to be removed separate. So no worries.

Sander Schaeffer -

Pls help ifixit engineer

muhammed dilshad - 回复

You didn't show keyboard replacement guide

muhammed dilshad - 回复

Pls show the keyboard replacement guide for 15"macbook pro touchbar

muhammed dilshad - 回复

For curiosity's sake, does the second fan cover house an equally sized fan with the same split fin design?

tipoo - 回复

What style keyboard keys are on the 15 inch macbook pro with touchbar... i need to get english/russian keycaps

Ryan Zschau - 回复

Curious if anyone is having heat issues with the new touch bar? I actually returned mine, it was getting too hot to scroll. Maybe I had a defective unit.

And askudra, really? Laptops are about balance and I suspect you know that but are just trolling for reaction.

Rob Bonner - 回复

Was the fan running?

henry3dogg -

There is always a tradeoff between reliability and upgradability in a laptop. I service and repair Macs and PCs for a living. RAM slots are the most common point of failure in a portable device. I agree that the un-upgradable SSD is an issue, but I have rarely seen users, even "Pro" users, upgrade storage after initial purchase. If you need to upgrade storage or RAM after you purchase a laptop, you obviously didn't buy the right machine to start with.

Jay Weiss - 回复

Two points: 1: If you want upgradable storage in a Mac laptop, you can't get a TouchBar. You have to get the Function-Key model or an older generation.

2: If you keep your laptop for a long time, replacing/upgrading the storage can become important. Especially if you can't afford to shell out for the biggest SSD at the time you bought the computer.

shamino -

Nonsense. Storage gets faster and more compact with time. It's nice to replace the original SSD with a 2019 SSD in three years.

It's also one of the reasons why MacBooks have so high resale value. Well used to have. This one won't, with the lack of RAM/SSD upgrades.

TCO is important for pro's.

Victor Szulc -

Your argument that Apple has to solder everything down to make the machine reliable makes no sense. RAM and SSD rarely fail due to a faulty or loose connections. The most common point of failures on a laptop are the keyboard, the hinges, cracked screens from drops, SSDs that fail internally, HDs that are dropped or fail internally, and broken power connectors and cords. Every single one of those components would be extremely difficult to replace on the MBP. Lenovo manages to make very reliable Thinkpads that pass MILSPEC testing (drops, vibration, etc.) which have replaceable keyboards, RAM, SSD, wifi, etc. My Thinkpad T450s weighs 3.26 lbs with a 14" screen and everything is replaceable--I know because I upgraded the LCD and the RAM with *standard* parts. Trying to upgrade the 2016 15" MBP is basically impossible and trying to fix it is extremely difficult and expensive. I would rather have a laptop which costs half the price and is fixable than Apple's planned obsolescence.

amosbatto -

SSDs don't last forever. They're limited by the number of write cycles. Once an SSD has these depleted it's dead, and so is any machine with the SSD soldered in place. The new MacBook Pro is a throw-away piece of garbage.

B. Deiter -

What about the screen? Does it still use the LP154WT1 panel?

No Thanks - 回复

@iFixit

Not sure if someone else covered this yet, but...

I think that port with the cover (Step 3) is the PCIe rails for the SSD. The PCIe rails traces are split and the little cover has a PCB in it that joins the traces.

If you get a chance test this by removing the cover, boot the machine off off a USB stick and see if the SSD is still detected.

Hopefully someone in the future will whip up a adapter with a long cable (think GPU extension cables) that goes into a PCIe x4 slot.

Jason Simonelli - 回复

Does the bottom cover allow installing the new security type locks like the Retina MacBook Pro's and Air's did? Some install a plate in a side screw hole others use a rear foot replacement.

salpjs - 回复

The lack of repair options and the fact all major parts are soldered in place will start to cause problems and we will increasingly have to consider machines like this as 'disposable'. So much for Apple's green credentials and I certainly don't have the kind of wallet to constantly replace kit with every new upgrade. This has become clear to me today with getting a new Macbook Pro for work only to discover a non-working touchbar after opening the box! So much for getting on with some work and putting the new machine through it's paces. And thanks Apple for your sympathy and support - just refunding the purchase and advising to re-order and take my changes again was a bit unexpected. Sad to say Apple has lost me as a customer and when the gaffer tape keeping my old 2009 Pro together stops working it will be a cheaper PC with a full keyboard.

Andy Irv - 回复

what 's NAND technology for smsg SSD? 3D or 2D?

Wade Guo - 回复

Better than 2D or 3D - 4D!

mosburger -

Can't we give this a repairability score of ZERO ?

fleubis - 回复

I'm not sure how much people need to worry about repairability of soldered and glued components, Just because we can't repair it on our living room floor doesn't mean it's not repairable. I've sent MBPs in to be repaired and gotten excellent service with a reasonable price. I am not interested in upgrades- for this price I am buying a machine that will last me a minimum of 4 years in terms of specs and reliability. I think a vast minority of people have failures with soldered on components, they are generally faster and more reliable.

I've never bought apple care before but I did this time since it is a major revision. A three year warranty on factory defects is worth $350, they will certainly attempt repair on much more than I ever would.

I might have the best of intentions but a spudger will generally not get me there: I'm all for DIY but anyone seriously griping about an inability to refurbish a computer with a *!&*^#% screwdriver can go get themselves a Babbage machine.

Just watch the coffee spills :/

Dave Naisuler - 回复

Where is the wifi Chipset for the 802.11 and Bluetooth? why didnt you guys list it for the 15 inch model and you listed it for the 13 inch?

Moe Khan - 回复

Hey there Moe Khan! In step 10 there is the Murata/Apple Wi-Fi chip. This is likely a combination of both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Unfortunately this is a proprietary chip, so there is no publicly available data sheet (at least as far as I know). This means we can't confirm that this is FOR SURE a Bluetooth chip. We are just "pretty sure". I hope this helps you! (I also responded to your post on the 13" MBP with Touch Bar).

Scott Havard -

It is the silver colored chip shown in step 10 is the Murata 339S00056 based on the BCM94602 chip

Leonel Tirado -

Is the Radeon 450 chip soldered to logic board?

Name Face - 回复

Obviously was to be soldered a PCIe connector of Graphic Card takes up too much space

Leonel Tirado -

I can't see the name of the DAC chip which is being used (the ADC chip is listed) - can anyone make out?

Robert Slowley - 回复

What defines a piece of gear as "Pro" is its field serviceability.

The newest MacBook "Pros" have pretty much 0 field serviceability.

I think they need to rebrand them as the new Mac Airs or something.

C'mon - the battery is GLUED

NO ESCAPE KEY

Pros do not need thin - they need serviceability and ports!

Pro gear is _always_ heavier with more expansion and modularity.

I think Apple is really doing a great job at !#^&^$^ its hard-core 1% user base who got it through the dark days.

Drive full? Toss the machine in the trash and pony up for one with a larger soldered-on ssd

If it were up to Apple we would all be soldered to our chairs at work.

WAY TO GO APPLE

Daniel Fuller - 回复

Might as well call it MacBook Prosumer

Daniel Fuller - 回复

Is there still a magnetic lid-is-closed switch/sensor?

Used to use the weak magnet trick to get internal display to go off when using external. Magnet sweep around perimeter does nothing on this.

Don Tipton - 回复

Came here looking for the same answer. I'm a bit leery of just dragging a magnet around until I find the right place. I am hoping someone knows if the magnet trick still works.

Michael Minton -

Were you able to discover if there is still a hall sensor on the laptop? I, too, used a magnet to force the internal display off when connected to an external monitor. I've tried moving a magnet around the entire laptop but could not get it to sleep. Perhaps Apple made the lid sensor now incorporated into the hinge?

Ethan Chu -

Same question here. I also tried to drag around a magnet without success. I think Apple might have changed the sleep magnet mechanism. Maybe they no longer use the sleep magnet method for display sleep :(

Hope somebody can clarify this.

agusriady22 -

I think I found the answer: Its no longer use a magnet. I guess the display sleep mechanism is in the hinge.

Try to close the lid and leave about 1cm before the top and bottom case meet together, it will turn off the display without fully close the lid.

Not an ideal way to sleep the display compared to magnet method, but at least you can still do it without fully close the lid. And at least this method should be cooler to the machine compared to fully close the lid.

agusriady22 -

Return key has broken a month after purchase. Was stuck, now is literally falling off.

PyGuy Charles - 回复

I have long hesitated to switch from PC to MAC but this new MacBook Pro convinced me to stay with windows: I can hear, with some effort, the argument saying that soldered SSD/RAM are more reliable than connected. But battery? Common, a battery will age and die no matter the type of connexion. Now you have to go through apple just to change the battery!

About reliability, you buy a MAC knowing that you will recover part of your purchase when you will resell it. If Apple is so confident about its product reliability, why do they offer only 1 year of standard warranty and maximum 3 years (no possibility to get 5 years even if you pay)? Thinkpad standard is 3 years and can be extended to 5 years! Just this warranty policy plus the everything-soldered rise a red-alarm in my mind. I think that the resell value of this new MacBook Pro will be lower in proportion than the one of the former models which were more repairable.

Dalescher - 回复

The machine CAN be repairable by the RIGHT person/independent shop. No need to worry about battery being glued and what not, if you have the money and WANT this machine, just get it and if it breaks (provided NOT by accident) take it to apple and they WILL fix it, if it breaks (INCLUDING accidental damage) outside warranty, make sure you do your due diligence and find yourself a reliable repair tech that can FIX your computer for years to come!

I personally WILL NOT buy this device since I have no money, desire nor need to own it.

Yustina - 回复

Intel SR2NH corresponds to QMS180

Leonel Tirado - 回复

Could someone please tell me the weight of the battery?

Janos - 回复

my cousin gave me a 15" macbook pro 2016 but he didn't pay the extra $100 to upgrade the video card from 455 to the 460. Looks like it's not fused - would it be possible to open this puppy up and change it out?

mOUs3y - 回复

This is the worst designed computer I've ever seen in my life. I had to get one of these to confirm compatibility of our software products on one of the new MacBook Pro's. Our software works, so guess what? I'm returning this thing tomorrow. Normally I'd be geeking out and playing with the thing and looking forward to using it for years to come, but this thing is a piece of rubbish.

Apple should seriously consider spinning off the OS X (excuse me, macOS) and Mac computer division to another, independent firm that understands how people use computers and what features they want. This thing, like the "fire hydrant" Mac Pro is a throw away. This is NOT a computer for professional users.

...I think it's time to start looking at BSD and Linux again.

B. Deiter - 回复

Just purchased a new MBP 15", hopefully it will do 6 years like the last one before failing. Keeping a laptop for longer is much more environmentally friendly than my work colleagues whose Dell laptops get replaced every 3 years (leased from Dell), but in nearly all cases have required at least one repair in those 3 years so replacement after 3 years is a moot point. Also the 6 year old Mac still benchmarked (Geekbench 4) ahead of colleagues new Dell and the cost of 2 Dells over the 6 years is considerably higher than the one Mac. So I saved money, got a better machines, and it was good for the environment. Hopefully work out well this time as well. (Not criticizing the iFixit teardown in any way, if the machine did fail you would have to take it back to Apple since own repair almost impossible as iFixit point out.)

howardlovatt - 回复

Just wonder where does the Intel HD Graphics 530 locate?

siqi.li15 - 回复

That's internal to the Intel Core i7-6700HQ—you can't see it unless you rip into the CPU itself, and even then it's just a cluster of cores on the CPU die. Here's an example of what that looks like (albeit on a completely different chip). ;)

Jeff Suovanen -

The WiFi module is also soldered in and it is tied to the serial number of the laptop. If the WiFi dies you are screwed, you cannot replace it because it requires programming. If you try to use a USB WiFi adapter that will not work also

Husam Zadain - 回复

I can confirm that this is simply not true. The wifi on my mbp stopped working after a top-case replacement. It is very much still possible for me to get online using a usb wifi adapter.

Erez -

Does anyone know if it would be possible to get the ICs Samsung K9PHGY8 flash storage? For well equipped service center it should not be a major problem to de-solder and solder them. In this review there are 4x64GB. Are there 4x256GB or 4x512 available? Would it possible to buy a Samsung SSD and get the ICs off the board? Any information?

PV Das - 回复

There is so many suppliers to buy the chips. Only thing is you need to know the right suppliers who can supply quality products.

Truth Seeker -

Is it not an ARM chip that controls the Touchbar? Which wold make the TI chip some ARM processor?

Rob Haag - 回复

Touchbar is fine I guess but a non-real ESC key is a serious issue for people using terminals ie a whole class of developer..

julie m - 回复

Since I have read the teardown from iFixit supposed to change their name to (I cannot fix anything). Every single device from the 2012 retina is not repairable as there is no effort to try t learn the system. I was working on the mac at component level repair and when we decided no fi is not feasible for me. If I were not going to waste my time more than 4 hours to diagnose the device, it is okay. When the CPU shorted, it is not going to get me work on it since I will have to spend at least another 4 hours just to find out if the CPU is reusable or not.

There is many possible way to fix if someone did not tempered with the boards especially so called repair shops, scrubbed the boards rubbing alcohol to make things worse plus the rice repairs. Once I see rice, I just tell them to take it back because rice is food that cannot fix anything.

The battery is glued on and it takes a little effort to replace as long as replacement is available. The touch ID circuit is repairable and no new logic board required.

Truth Seeker - 回复

Keeping my 2011 17” i7 quad until it dies! all this new stuff sucks…

houledogs - 回复

Why need NVME without PCI-E support for it ?

On my 15” MacBook Pro 2013 Apple use PCI-E x2 link for SSD up to 5Gbit/s , so slow for SSD ))))

Pavel - 回复

I have the late 2016 MB Pro, purchased in Dec. 2016. Top of the line specs - ran me about 4K. This morning, inexplicably found that the unit is not taking a charge. Tried multiple Apple Power Adapters, multiple USB=C charging cables, multiple outlets, reset SMC, etc.- nothing. Took it into the Apple Store just st now. They are indicating $795 fee for replacement of the logic board. Additional $100 fee to attempt to recover data (most is backed up via Dropbox but some home video that I’d transferred that’s at risk. So all the gripes in this thread about the lack of repairability are my reality right now. !#^&@@. Love the Mac OS but seriously contemplating going out and buying a Windows laptop that has the 32 GB RAM I need regardless. In researching, seems like this power issue is pretty common.

Paul Rettberg - 回复

In all discussions about whether if the MacBook could be compared in specs with other much more cheaper computers or if it is a pro computer, etc, sometimes maybe the most important thing it's forgotten, what makes a Mac a better computer it's the OS. Osx it's way better than windows and much more versatile for video editing or publishing than linux

High Alberdi - 回复

Just brought a mid 17 mbp 15”. I have a tech that will change my 256 ssd. I'm not sure of what I have to buy. I'm not tech savvy. I'm trying to go 2tb high. Do I buy the slim one or the side square one or from what I read multiple 500gb ones? Help please

Arnold Houston - 回复

HELP!!!

Just spilled (filtered drinking) water into my (TB 15”). What direction (side) do I lay it on? I don’t have the tools to fix it. I did turn off the power right away.

MVF_4315 - 回复

Keyboard (flat) upside down?

Keyboard at 45 deg angle vent down?

Keyboard vertical, vent down?

Keyboard vertical, vent side up?

Or did I get it wrong on every guess?

MVF_4315 - 回复

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