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Horizontal lines over iMac 24 screen

Hi,

I got horizontal lines over the display! During the warranty period they replaced the board ( it blacked out ) and now this is happening. They refused to replace the device saying out of warranty and asked to replace it :-|. They were not even sure that changing the display will fix the issue. I am hesitant to replace the screen as I am better off to buy a new one rather keep repairing the faulty product.



Is there any way to fix it?

Tried
- Reinstall the OS
- External Display = Works fine
- Reseating those 3 cables

Lines kind of flickers, may be some lose cables?

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@latv Saw ur replies to me in mail but were disappeared from discussion. Hence, it was never seen. Learned new things as well. I guess apple removed yours as well my comments. Can you msg me on telegram: bitlittlebit

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According to Apple, it's an LCD malfunction.

So I took my iMac to a technician.

The problem, apparently, lies in a cable that also powers the LCD, which is located on one of the tops of the screen, and which, to be replaced, requires detaching the screen glass from the LCD itself, which is a very sensitive operation. So the only option is to replace the entire LCD.

This cable (of the FFC/FPC type), has to sustain a very high voltage (around 50V) to power the LCD (despite the iMac's power supply being 15.9V), and it heats up a lot!

What happens is that it starts to degrade at the connector, to the point where it lets the signals leak between the various connectors and short-circuits some of them, which ends up causing those lines.

The level of brightness makes a fundamental contribution to this problem. The higher the brightness used, the sooner the problem occurs.

At its lowest brightness, temperature at the top of the screen it's normal; when it's at its highest, you can fry an egg!

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Seems the discussion in Apple site is already locked.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

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I raised a ticket to them early this year or late this year but it was taken lightly. Then last month, I got several calls from Apple Singapore about this issue. They wanted to know more when and how the issue started. But when I asked them about what is Apple's plan, like a free replacement, they mentioned "NO" since it is beyond warranty period. So I stopped answering there call. It does not benefit me.

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Which cable that you mention do resetting?

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@yijunlin @jen79010 Hi, I request every one to post the concern on this thread in apple forum, hoping they take some action. Apple support will deny that they are not aware of issue, as no one reported. Forum does n't matter for them. Record that phone call ( it will help you claim your case in court )

STEP 1 : first make a post here :

Feedback - iMac - Apple


Step 2 (old) : Then post your issue here and also mention if you have completed step 1 ( Apple closed most active post saying no activity, "LOL",


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...


Step 2 (old) :
Post your issue here
Persistent horizontal lines on iMac M1 LCD screen - 2
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...


Apple keeps closing the issue without no reason
A new active link here :
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

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Will do, thanks for the link.

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Will do, thanks for the link.

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Done that. Thanks.

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Done, and Done. I'm really concerned about this. Is my other iMac 24 going to be the same?

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Many. The problem is that there are not much report in Apple community. I just had reported this and trying to keep the thread at the top so it is more obvious to other people. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

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Hello Lat V, I'm having definitely the same problem with you. As I find your post here, I wonder if it is a Quality control issue cuz I bought this iMac in August 2021.

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@yijunlin Yeah Exactly!! I have the same hexagon burning like you. Thing is it will get worse, the portion will get filled up with full lines after few weeks. Apple will deny mistake from their side, it would cost you around 650USD to replace the screen. I plan to buy new one instead of repairing it, they say, they will bill be for further repairs after replacing the display unit, feels scammed. If you need my support any way to act as proof, happy to do so.

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Hey just wanted to know if there’s any update on this, I found that I have the same problem too, on a 2 year old iMac 24” M1. It keeps coming in and out, every now and then and then it seems to be fine, except for a very faint horizontal line. Did anything work for anybody in here?

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In Taiwan, several cases appeared same problem after using iMac for 2 yrs.https://youtu.be/KIuC22KkREE

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I just got exactly the same problem on my M1 IMac which I bought mid 2021 in Singapore. Maybe there are some manufacturing issues with a batch of these iMacs. Such displays should not fail within such short time.

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Looks like we all have the same issues after about 2 years of usage. I have made the purchase in Jan 2022 and now the screen is having same issue as you guys. A barely 2 year old Apple device display failed badly and was also quoted a S$700-800+ S$140(fee for detailed check). This is equivalent to buying a new device. Ridiculous pricing especially since so many of us encounter the same issue.

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According to the Apple support team I contacted, it's an LCD malfunction and the only solution is to replace it.

What they didn't say was why this problem is occurring after two years of using the iMac on so many computers.

So, as Apple hasn't yet assumed that it's their fault, what I did, given the lack of concrete answers from Apple, was to take my iMac to a technician and ask him to assess the problem to see if it's a construction problem or just a random fault.

The explanation I was given was as follows:

In terms of circuitry, everything seems to be working properly.

The problem, apparently, lies in a cable that also powers the LCD, which is located on one of the tops of the screen, and which, to be replaced, requires detaching the screen glass from the LCD itself, which is a very sensitive operation and almost impossible to carry out without damaging the LCD.

So the only option is to replace the entire LCD (LCD+main boards+screen glass).

Also, according to the technician's explanation, this cable (of the FFC/FPC type or Flat Flexible Cable / Flexible Printed Circuit), has to sustain a very high voltage (around 50V) to power the LCD (despite the iMac's power supply being 15.9V), and it heats up a lot!

So, what happens after a while (in this case after about 2 years) is that it starts to burn out and degrade at the connector, to the point where it lets the signals leak between the various connectors and short-circuits some of them, which ends up causing those lines that we are all unfortunately familiar with.

The level of brightness makes a fundamental contribution to this problem. Thus, the higher the brightness used, the sooner the problem occurs.

This is easily understood by measuring the difference in temperature at the top of the screen when it is at its lowest brightness level, compared to when it is at its highest. It's quite a big difference!

When it's at its lowest brightness, it's practically room temperature; when it's at its highest, you can almost fry an egg!

I think that as soon as Apple recognizes that there is a problem with these computers, the first thing it will do is make a change to the OS that reduces the maximum brightness limit allowed (to less than 500 nits). Time will tell...

Why does this happen?

For at least one of three reasons:

1- a design flaw - so this problem is likely to occur in a large number of devices;

2- a defect in components - the problem is limited to a few cases;

3- use of components below Apple's standards - the problem may be limited, or more widespread.

This was the explanation I was given. I'm not a technician. Only Apple will know the exact reason(s).

If I had to guess, I'd say that I don't believe it's a design fault, because Apple has an obligation to be very careful about that; I also don't think it's a fault with the component(s) because it seems to be happening all over the planet and doesn't seem to be localized; so I think it's due to the use of component(s) below, or at the limit of, Apple's standards which, when put under extreme stress (higher brightness), end up failing.

I think it's already clear to everyone that this is a design or manufacturing defect in this Apple model.

So let's hope that Apple takes on this construction problem and repairs it or at least contributes part of the cost of the (overly expensive) repair of our computers.

If it were a car, surely all our computers would be called into the workshop to replace the component that has broken down or is in the process of breaking down.

As it's a computer... let's hope that Apple will behave in a way that suits its customers, who believe in the above-average Apple standard...

So keep presenting your cases to Apple.

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I know, in fact, Apple is already aware of this issue and is working hard to resolve it.

For now, it's collecting machines with defects in order to analyze them and understand what's really going on.

It's a really complicated issue, but Apple is doing its best to resolve it as diligently and urgently as possible.

It's a question of time, but as it's a complicated issue, it will take longer than usual.

The aim is to solve the issue, but because it is unusually complicated, it will take longer than expected and longer than all parties might desire.

But there will certainly be a solution.

Update (08/17/24)

Persistent horizontal lines on iMac M1 LCD screen

I am reaching out to share an ongoing issue I, along with several other users (> 120), have been experiencing with our iMac 24-inch models, and to seek a collective resolution by Apple.

Problem Description:

  • Persistent horizontal lines appear on the screen, which significantly hampers the usability and visual appeal of the device.
  • This problem arises without any physical damage, and despite the stationary nature of the device.

Steps Taken:

  • Connected to an external display: The external display works fine, indicating the issue is with the iMac's internal display.
  • Reinstalled the OS: The problem persisted after reinstallation.
  • Avoided operating the iMac for a week: No change in the situation.
  • The LCD main cables have been tested: The situation was OK.
  • The LCD mainboards have been tested: The situation was OK.
  • Various brightness levels were tested over long periods: The lines decrease in the affected area in direct relation to the brightness of the screen - less brightness, fewer lines; more brightness, more lines.

Concerns:

  • The cost of screen replacement is high, and there's no assurance that it will resolve the issue permanently.
  • The quality concern is alarming, especially for a brand that positions itself as a premium segment player.
  • The problem occurs around two years of use, mostly outside the warranty period.
  • The support received thus far has been unsatisfactory, with no definitive solutions provided by Apple apart from a costly screen replacement suggestion (entirely paid for by the customer without any co-financing from Apple).

Apparently, the problem lies in a cable that also powers the LCD, which is located on one of the tops of the screen, and which, in order to be replaced, requires detaching the screen glass from the LCD itself, which is a very sensitive operation and almost impossible to carry out without damaging the LCD.

So the only option seems to be to replace the entire LCD (LCD+main boards+screen glass).

Apparently, this cable (of the FFC/FPC type or Flat Flexible Cable / Flexible Printed Circuit), has to sustain a very high voltage (around 50V) to power the LCD (this despite the iMac's power supply being 15.9V), and it heats up a lot!

So, apparently what happens after a while (in this case after about 2 years), is that it starts to burn out and degrade at the connector, to the point where it lets the signals leak between the various connectors and short-circuits some of them, which ends up causing those lines that we are all unfortunately familiar with.

The level of brightness, apparently, makes a fundamental contribution to this problem. Thus, the higher the brightness used, the sooner the problem occurs.

This is easily understood by measuring the difference in temperature at the top of the screen when it is at its lowest brightness level, compared to when it is at its highest. It's quite a big difference!

When it's at its lowest brightness, it's practically room temperature; when it's at its highest, you can almost "fry an egg"!

I think it's already clear to everyone that apparently this is a design or manufacturing defect in this Apple model. But only Apple knows the exact answer.

So let's hope that Apple takes on this discussion and gives us all Apple customers an acceptable explanation and solution, at least contributing to part of the cost of the (overly expensive) repair of our iMac M1 computers.

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This discussion is also on the Apple forum at "discussions.apple" (.com).

The title is "Persistent horizontal lines on iMac M1 LCD screen".

Apple clearly didn't like the direction the discussion was taking with the most voted answer. So they ended it. Even on a false pretext.

So anyone who is suffering from this problem, go and show your displeasure and ask Apple for a shared solution.

It doesn't make sense for them to profit from this fault if we're the ones paying for the entire repair.

At least Apple should share part of the cost of replacing the LCD.

Update (10/03/24)

I know, in fact, Apple is already aware of this issue and is working hard to resolve it.

For now, it's collecting machines with defects in order to analyze them and understand what's really going on.

It's a really complicated issue, but Apple is doing its best to resolve it as diligently and urgently as possible.

It's a question of time, but as it's a complicated issue, it will take longer than usual.

The aim is to solve the issue, but because it is unusually complicated, it will take longer than expected and longer than all parties might desire.

But there will certainly be a solution.

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Many thanks for this detail information, will see what are the next steps from Apple. Meanwhile I switched to Windows-PC.

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Hi, please post this same info in Apple Forum:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

That will reach more audience and hopefully Apple Executives will see this.

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Apple closed that post. We should all re post again.

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Could any one make a new post in apple forum? They keep removing my post, even being valid. So bad!

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if they do, it will be great. but certainly was not their support executive's attitude. even having to take it to some place for the so called 'free repair' costs time and money.

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To figure this out you need an external display. Does the effect show up on it? If it does the logic board will need replacement, if the image is clean that proves the display is bad.

When did you buy the system? If you know what is your countries warranty period as well.

Where do you live? Country and nearest major city. Also do you have access to an Apple Store as clearly this provider failed you.

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Hi, thank you, External Display => Works fine. I feel it's due to M1 chip, may be I have to apply the thermal paste? The thing is, lines are not fixed, it moves up and down. I am also noticing that it's getting better but very slowly. Some of the top lines are gone.

I live in India, southern side. Apple does not have proper support in here, most of them are third party, they mostly just replace parts. It's an authorized one. Warranty is over, Apple instead of providing a replacement sticks to dump warranty of 1 year. Just in two years I had to replace the entire board and the now this display. Now were near apple standards.

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@latv - Not good😢

Sadly, repasting won’t fix this. The M1 chip is not the problem!

If the external display is fine that points to a bad internal display. You need a new display.

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Thank you, looks like I am stuck with it, apple won't even replace the product. The service guys said they are not sure if it's a display problem, they said they will invoice it after replacing the display. If that's the case I am better of buying a new one. The invoice that I have now is almost the half. That's Apple.

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This GPU drives the external display? Which makes the problem being the faulty display unit?

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@latv - Correct, one graphics engine which pushes the video output to both displays. This is a simple test! While a pain maybe you need to educate him. Bring the system and the external and have him see this.

I swear you’ve proven it! There is no other cause here. Something is messed up with the display it’s self.

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I am having the same problem. I've had this iMac less than two years. These lines appeared a couple weeks ago and have shifted a bit but haven't disappeared. From what I'm seeing online, we are not the only ones experiencing this. This is not right. Apple should be held accountable for this issue.

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@jen79010 Yeah, really making all us run with repairs. Mine has gotten much worse, since posting this.

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Having same issue after 2.6 years of using my IMAC M1 24". I leave in Mumbai, India. Took it to Apple store. They charged 2500 INR for checkup and gave 54000 INR quotation to replace new screen. Local service centers charging around 45000

Have anyone notice the top right corner of screen feel very hot when touched. I strongly feel its over heating issue or Flex cable problem. I would have opened and checked it myself but I dont have tools to open the iMAC and assemble it back.

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Yes issue for me. Don't open the iMac, it's a display issue. The heating is happening at the connector. Do this instead, don't open, apple maintains a monopoly in repair business for apple products in India, no spare parts is available.

Heating is going to happen at multiple points and the lines are going to show up 3 positions. It will shift.

File a consumer case with proof of screenshot from others. Use an external display until case the solved.

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This is helpful to me as I have the exact same issue after 2 yrs of use of this product.

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Looks like Apple locked the most active post : https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

Any one posted new? / Active thread for this issue?

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I have same experience with this problem, i had bought this imac 24" base model on 2021 November in Yogyakarta Indonesia, and have this problem like this:

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after I bring to Authorized Apple Service Provider in my town, they diagnosed that my display must be broken and need to replace, they charges me around 810$ (13million IDR) so I canceled it because it's not worth it, after I bring back and turn it On again on my home, the screen only have tiny horizontal and vertical lines on the corner like this:

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does anyone have experience like this before? or is it because the cable that connected the display and logic board inside?

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Hey brother I have a similar issue with mine just lines on different parts of the screen. I spoke to the local store he said they had 5 cases of this come to him this seems to be a manufacturing issue and even if we pay and fix the screen it's likely that will happen again in 1-2 years.

I feel we should all get together and file a case to get APPLE to take responsibility for the faulty product.

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I've got the same issue. iMac 24'' bought in Singapore less than 3 years ago. Bottom part of screen (about 1 inch) started flickering today. I have tried the solutions found in Google, with no avail.

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From the chat history, I can see that Apple is not really interested in the customer experience and solution, but rather just in maximizing profits. This has nothing to do with the marketing claims about sustainability, if you can scrap the device after about 2 years, it's just ridiculous.

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I've started a petition urging Apple to acknowledge the M1 iMac display defect and provide free repairs for all affected devices. If your iMac is showing these symptoms, or if you believe Apple should stand behind their products, please consider signing and sharing: https://change.org/imac_m1_screen

Together, we can help bring attention to this issue and push for a proper resolution. Every signature helps show Apple this isn't just an isolated problem.

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Thank you for setting this up Michael. I signed up. Lets all share it!

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@pouyairanitalab, you're welcome. We should definitely share this widely on social media, as several forums mentioned in the petition have removed my posts due to their no-petitions policy. Hopefully, someone in tech news can amplify this issue, raising awareness and drawing attention to the petition.

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Due to this same reason, not going to buy Apple s-h-i-t anymore

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Apple has poooor quality therefore change back to windows PC, the imac was my first and last PC from Apple.

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@mhagen78790 - Every hardware maker has had their lemons. Apple is no different. The root issue is how they deal with it. Some hardware folks fold shop when they have had a really bad system. Others power through it either ignoring the defect hoping the dust settles down, others work it out as efficiently as possible knowing if they do they will have someone coming back when they need a new system.


First gen gear like this system is always tricky! As Apple squeezed quite a lot in a very thin package! I’m impressed on how they did it. It’s just a question if they went to far or had a run of a defective part here.

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I've got the same issue with the same symptoms: a 2-year-old M1 iMac bought in Singapore. Reported to Apple via the feedback form and posted in Apple Forums.

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Now it started flickering so became very annoying and really unusable.

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Let’s come together and make our voices heard. As someone dealing with the frustrating M1 iMac screen defect, I know how isolating it can feel. I’ve created a petition to ask Apple to take responsibility and cover repair costs for all of us affected. Your support means a lot—please sign and share: https://chng.it/rBPQMhF9VV.

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Just posting that I'm having the same issue after 3 years (2021 M1 iMac), and want to keep an eye on this thread. No luck with Apple Support, but it's helpful to hear from others experience.

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Let’s come together and make our voices heard. As someone dealing with the frustrating M1 iMac screen defect, I know how isolating it can feel. I’ve created a petition to ask Apple to take responsibility and cover repair costs for all of us affected. Your support means a lot—please sign and share: https://chng.it/rBPQMhF9VV.

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This is going to sound woohoo to some but some may find it helpful :) As tesla says if you want to know the secret of the universe think in terms of frequency. So when we approach this 'problem' with high frequency, then solution becomes available. I had mine repaired. I believe the answer is paitience, non judgment attitude towards Apple, and bring the spirit of cooperation and desire to help them solve this issue for all. Be persistant also, keep calling them every month and talking to supervisors. Be kind and charming and firm, they know there is a problem, they know its their product, and when we are persistant, kind and speaking honestly, they will respond in due time. this was the approach I took. I was also in 'surrender' meaning if it would not work i would be willing to let it go. This surrender perspective from a forgiving heart brings the frequency and energy field to a higher state.

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I agree 100%.

I acted in the same way as you with "the spirit of cooperation and desire to help them solve this issue for all" and it worked out really well.

That's why I'm reinforcing your advice to others.

You may all think it's far-fetched, but I've discovered that Apple is a company that is really committed to its customers and the products it puts on the market.

Exaggerated?!

Maybe, but that's the impression I got after dealing with this problem...

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@jparr59232 Thank you so much for sharing this! so grateful to read it and knowing we are both on the same awareness and hope to inspire others to try it. :)

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I hit upon the the exact same issue on my m1 imac. 1 year out of warranty and they flat out quoted $800+ for repairs. Took it home and lodged a complaint. Their "senior engineer" called back today to tell me that they can only cover me if the problem matches any of the "Apple Repair" program symptoms, and this is the first time Apple has heard of this issue. Is Apple for real here?

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I have the same problem only 2 year of use! I'm disappointed. I've been using Apple for more than 30 years since my 8500 and the quality of the products is getting lower and lower... they think about the design but it's not the usability and durability of the product!

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I also have an iMac, and after 2.5 years the display is defective similar to the one in the picture above. A screenshot shows no errors. The internal display must therefore be defective. There is no goodwill from Apple, which means I will switch back to a Windows PC, which is cheaper for me.

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Was not able to. I noticed that also last week, apple has locked it.

Was about to post that my iMac issue has worsen, now I have to put a heatsink since there is a spot in front that is very hot, it can burn my skin.

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Now my whole display went black. Only able now to use with the external monitor attached.

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i requote the Lat V's post here

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255...

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We got that error too but we fixed it in just 1hour.Apple authorized service can't even fix this in our Country but user sent us and we fix that.

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Can you share more details of how you fixed it?

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yes, it would be great you can post more details. Thanks

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yes please. How to fix this ?

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If you succeeded, congratulations.

I haven't been able to find anyone who has done it successfully.

Why don't you post the solution here or on YouTube?

That way you can help users all over the world who suffer from this problem (a few hundred) and also earn money yourself.

Thank you.

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bought 2021, this issue persist for 1 year. Frustrated. From Malaysia

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@hlpang2002 - you need to get the system to an authorized service center to get it checked, there was rumors of Apple fixing this issue with an extended warranty program. At least get the system logged in even if you refuse the repair so you have it on record.

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Done checked and it will cost me around RM3,400 to replace the entire display panel. They not even suggest for any extended warranty program. I brought back in the end. Searching for any alternative way for fixing it

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